# Grammer Question: Badly

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [September 18, 2004, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837 "2004-09-18T12:06:38Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 10\
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**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/1 "2004-09-18T12:06:38Z")

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> I have never sent out an e-mail with my own name as the subject, but now I **badly** want to.

OK, English dudes and dudettes. To me, when you use badly it means poorly. For example “I felt badly about that” means your hand arent working too well. So naturally I read the above sentence as the person wants have their name in the subject of an email, but wants to do a poor job of it.

Is the above sentence proper grammer?

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**Author:** ![six\_personalities](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3da27b/32.png) [@six\_personalities](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/six_personalities)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/2 "2004-09-18T12:08:34Z")

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I cannot comment on the structure of the sentence,but it’s spelt grammAr 🙂

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**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/3 "2004-09-18T12:15:13Z")

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Shit! :smack:

Did I spell that correct?

:o ☹

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**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/4 "2004-09-18T12:34:05Z")

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> [@Enright3](#):
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> Did I spell that correct?

I think it should be: “Did I spell that correctly?”

Badly has a colloquial meaning which is “very much”. From the context of your quotation I think that is what the writer intended.

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**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/5 "2004-09-18T12:57:30Z")

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> [@InvidiousCourgette](#):
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> Badly has a colloquial meaning which is “very much”. From the context of your quotation I think that is what the writer intended.

[Yep](http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=badly&x=0&y=0).

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> Main Entry: bad·ly  
> Pronunciation: 'bad-lE  
> Function: adverb  
> 1 : in a bad manner \<played badly\>  
> 2 : to a great or intense degree \<want something badly\>

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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/6 "2004-09-18T13:16:03Z")

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“To want badly” is moving towards idiomatic status – if St. Paul were writing today, he’d discuss his efforts towards perfection with “I want to be as good as possible badly!” 🙂 Also note “a badly needed improvement” where “badly” seems to function purely as synonymous with “very much,” “greatly.”

That specialized intensifier meaning to one side, let me take note that a definition that makes a word synonymous with another may not always be the ideal way to explain the word. “Badly” is an adverb that places a modification on the word, usually a verb, to which it is in grammatic affiliation. The classic explanations of predicate adjectives after verbs other than “to be” get into this – If the dog smells bad, it needs a bath; if it smells badly, it needs a veterinarian’s services to cure its rhinovirus infestion.

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**Author:** ![DRBOB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@DRBOB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DRBOB)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/7 "2004-09-21T04:06:54Z")

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> [@Enright3](#):
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> OK, English dudes and dudettes. To me, when you use badly it means poorly. For example “I felt badly about that” means your hand arent working too well. So naturally I read the above sentence as the person wants have their name in the subject of an email, but wants to do a poor job of it.
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> Is the above sentence proper grammer?

You have dangled a participle. As Winston Churchill once said “That is something up with which I shall not put”. Where is GorillaMan when I need him?? :dubious:

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**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/8 "2004-09-21T12:47:22Z")

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Churchill was complaining about the rule against ending a sentince with a preposition, not a dangling participle. He correctly was indicating that it is perfectly good English that a preposition was a perfectly good word to end a sentence with.

A dangling participle would be a construction like this:

Walking down the street, the tree looked beautiful.

The above sentence implies the tree was walking.

Though there are grammatical (“hand arent”) and punctuation errors (“arent”) in the OP, there is no dangling participle.

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**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/9 "2004-09-21T12:56:09Z")

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Yes, badly means “very much”, as in “I badly needed a drink”.

The great [Edmund Blackadder](http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/blackadder/) once made a quip on this confusion:

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> **Bob:** Oh, sir, sir, please don’t give me away, sir. I just wanted to be like my brothers and join up. I want to see how a war is fought, so badly!
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> **Blackadder:** Well, you’ve come to the right place, Bob. A war hasn’t been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered eighty thousand battle helmets with the horns on the _inside_.

😃

Minor rant: “I feel badly” annoys me too. If you’re wearing rubber gloves you might feel badly. If you’ve just run over your neighbour’s dog, you feel bad.

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**Author:** ![RiverRunner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/977dab/32.png) [@RiverRunner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RiverRunner)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grammer-question-badly/264837/10 "2004-09-21T13:59:16Z")

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> [@Colophon](#):
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> Minor rant: “I feel badly” annoys me too. If you’re wearing rubber gloves you might feel badly. If you’ve just run over your neighbour’s dog, you feel bad.

I thought I was the only one who felt that way! I feel vindicated, or at least semi-vindicated.  
RR
