# Great news for the Biden campaign (really) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630 "2020-05-28T21:48:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/1 "2020-05-28T21:48:28Z")
From [Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire](https://politicalwire.com/2020/05/27/trump-replaced-campaign-manager-without-firing-him/): > [@](#): > > When President Trump installed Bill Stepien as his new deputy campaign manager, it was “a DC-style coup that still lets Brad Parscale keep his title of campaign manager,” Business Insider reports. > > Said one adviser: “Trump never fires people. He works around them.” > > Some Trump advisers note that Stepien’s ascendance “gives Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and arguably the most important staffer on the entire 2020 effort, almost singular control over the 2020 re-election campaign.” They saved the best for last there, didn’t they? Yes, by all means, put Kushner, who could screw up a two-car funeral, in control of Trump’s campaign. That is fucking _ **awesome** _. 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/2 "2020-05-29T00:47:41Z")
Kushner is so awesome! After solving the Middle East conflict, he fixed the PPE distribution, reinvented government, and on top of all that he’s going to run a campaign that will end up winning the EC 538-0! NOTHING is beyond his capabilities! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/3 "2020-05-29T06:42:58Z")
Almost nobody thinks Kushner is anything but a dunce. I assume his real role is to serve as a front for secret controllers like Charles Koch. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/4 "2020-05-29T11:18:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Almost nobody thinks Kushner is anything but a dunce. I assume his real role is to serve as a front for secret controllers like Charles Koch. Maybe, but even if so, Koch isn’t going to make nitty-gritty decisions about how to run the campaign. He delegates that shit. And if you’re right, he’s delegated it to this Administration’s #1 buffoon and failson-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/5 "2020-05-29T18:54:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Almost nobody thinks Kushner is anything but a dunce. I assume his real role is to serve as a front for secret controllers like Charles Koch. My guess is that party leaders realize how poorly Trump is doing and hope that if they put Kushner in charge of the campaign, there’s some chance that they can relay some needed truths to Trump through Kushner and he’ll listen. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/6 "2020-05-29T20:26:44Z")
> [@](#): > > it was “a DC-style coup DC Comics? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/7 "2020-05-29T20:31:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Almost nobody thinks Kushner is anything but a dunce. I assume his real role is to serve as a front for secret controllers like Charles Koch. Koch dislikes Trump. Koch is a free-trade libertarian. Trump is not. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/8 "2020-05-29T20:45:16Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Koch dislikes Trump. Koch is a free-trade libertarian. Trump is not. Meh, Koch “works around” Trump. I really think that if you want to send a shock to the GOP and really bloody the party’s nose, don’t just go after Trump, but attack McConnell as well. He’s as vulnerable as he’s ever been, and I’d love nothing more than to see him get beaten. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/9 "2020-05-29T20:51:05Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Kushner is so awesome! After solving the Middle East conflict, he fixed the PPE distribution, reinvented government, and on top of all that he’s going to run a campaign that will end up winning the EC 538-0! NOTHING is beyond his capabilities! If you sent Kushner out with careful instructions to pick up a McDonald’s Big Mac combo with fries and Coke Zero that you had specifically pre-ordered, he’d somehow manage to come back – many hours later because he’d have gotten lost – with five pounds of dry dog food and a zither. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/10 "2020-05-29T21:03:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If you sent Kushner out with careful instructions to pick up a McDonald’s Big Mac combo with fries and Coke Zero that you had specifically pre-ordered, he’d somehow manage to come back – many hours later because he’d have gotten lost – with five pounds of dry dog food and a zither. I hurt myself laughing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/11 "2020-05-29T21:20:19Z")
I expect this is largely a symbolic appointment. This isn’t just Trump’s call, he’s answerable to an army of large donors who aren’t going to let the feckless failson call all (or any) of the important shots. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/12 "2020-05-29T21:27:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Meh, Koch “works around” Trump. I agree. Koch would like to keep Trump around for a second term because he’s able to work around Trump in ways he wouldn’t be able to work around Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/13 "2020-05-29T21:29:42Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Almost nobody thinks Kushner is anything but a dunce. I assume his real role is to serve as a front for secret controllers like Charles Koch. What about Charles’ brother? I know he’s dead, but those guy are powerful! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/14 "2020-05-29T21:41:03Z")
In Putin’s Russia, Trump works around Koch! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/15 "2020-05-29T22:17:18Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I expect this is largely a symbolic appointment. This isn’t just Trump’s call, he’s answerable to an army of large donors who aren’t going to let the feckless failson call all (or any) of the important shots. Yeah. Jared is too much like Trump himself: utterly without conscience, yet too inept to get any real mileage out of his ruthlessness. So there’s probably not any one person actually in charge. The campaign will careen from incident to incident, with decisions made sometimes on the advice of Sean Hannity, sometimes on the advice of Chris Ruddy, and sometime on the advice of Steve Bannon. Mitch McConnell will always have a certain veto power, and of course the overarching imperative will be to avoid displeasing Vlad. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/16 "2020-05-30T01:16:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Jared is too much like Trump himself: utterly without conscience, yet too inept to get any real mileage out of his ruthlessness. True. But his job is secure as long as he keeps telling Trump what Ivanka looks like naked. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/17 "2020-05-30T23:38:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > True. But his job is secure as long as he keeps telling Trump what Ivanka looks like naked. Ew. (Imagine if Trump’s dreaded Deep State actually DID wire the White House for sound and audio, and every single conversation that’s taken place since January 2017 was recorded…then released to the internet. (It’s not just that it would, in all likelihood, incriminate Trump and all his family—it would become the basis for an _entire new branch_ of abnormal psychology…) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/18 "2020-05-31T00:53:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s not just that it would, in all likelihood, incriminate Trump and all his family Why? Trump has said plenty of horrible things that have been recorded and released publicly. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/19 "2020-05-31T01:17:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Why? Trump has said plenty of horrible things that have been recorded and released publicly. This. The latest iteration of the Flynn scandal won’t touch him, nor will Barr’s turning the DOJ into Trump’s personal legal attack dogs. If anything will, it’s Trump’s non-handling of the coronavirus. That actually hits people’s lives. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630/20 "2020-05-31T22:54:13Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Why? Trump has said plenty of horrible things that have been recorded and released publicly. You don’t think that recordings of everything said in the White House since January 2017 would contain anything new? I suspect there would be _lots_ of material that could hurt Trump. For starters: [ul] [li]his true opinion of his followers[/li][li]unflattering remarks about powerful donors[/li][li]Trump asking ‘why can’t we just arrest Obama?’ and similarly dumb-dictator stuff[/li][li]discussions about “using the nuclear weapons” that would curl people’s teeth[/li][li]requests that various parts of government (IRS etc) harass his critics[/li][li]explicit, detailed plans for extortion—of foreign governments, of US entities, etc.[/li][/ul] Some of it is likely to put Trump in legal jeopardy. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-news-for-the-biden-campaign-really/854630.md?page=2)