# Great, someone published the Eye of Argon **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2002, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569 "2002-11-19T18:09:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/41 "2002-11-20T18:47:10Z")
I especially like the names. Mrifk? Grignr? Buy a fucking vowel. I’m going to get this and read it. This is so bad I have to read it. Unless one of you kind people would like to douse me with kerosene, set me on fire, and drag me through a field of nice cacti. Or slowly feed me to a wild boar. Nice. b. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/42 "2002-11-20T19:01:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kaylasdad99 \* > \*\*I’m not familiar with the work of Ed Greenwood (a fact for which your descriptions are making me grateful), but the similarity of his name to that of a certain notoriously bad filmmaker causes me to wonder if he might be a put-on… \*\* I’ve seen a photo of him in one of his paperbacks. He’s real all right. He also looks like one heckuva weirdo. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/43 "2002-11-20T19:13:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Billy Rubin \* > \*\*I especially like the names. > > Mrifk? Grignr? Buy a fucking vowel. > > \*\* Funny you should say that. I believe Crow makes the same comment in the MSTied version. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/44 "2002-11-20T19:27:24Z")
I started reading “The Eye of Argon”… and was able to slog through it until I found the reference to the wench’s “sagging nipples.” Damn. Now _that’s_ description! _laughing_ ---
**Author:** ![CRorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CRorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CRorex)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/45 "2002-11-20T19:34:11Z")
I’m wondering if I should post a reading of the Eye of Argon I did with some college buddies. It’s the LUSTY reading. I should boot up my old comp and see if I can recover the file. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/46 "2002-11-20T19:38:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scuba\_Ben \* > \*\*Funny you should say that. I believe Crow makes the same comment in the MSTied version. \*\* After the second page "I’m out of money now, can I just _have_ a vowel? ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/47 "2002-11-20T19:40:50Z")
Er, unquote. I wasn’t trying to say I made that up :). That was more Crow. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/48 "2002-11-20T20:20:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kaylasdad99 \* > \*\*I’m not familiar with the work of Ed Greenwood (a fact for which your descriptions are making me grateful), but the similarity of his name to that of a certain notoriously bad filmmaker causes me to wonder if he might be a put-on… \*\* Greenwood is very real. He was a very prolific game designer for TSR through the 80s and whatever portion of the 90s the Lake Geneva team managed to hang on through. He created the Forgotten Realms setting, which was AD&D’s official setting from about 1987 to the death rattles of TSR, prior to Wizards of the Coast swooping down in the proverbial sweet chariot to take what was left on home to Seattle. Forgotten Realms has been revived, following the resurrection of AD&D as plain old D&D (also known among diehards and oldtimers as “3rd Edition”), and Ed is once again on board. ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2002, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/49 "2002-11-20T20:44:57Z")
About par for the course for AD&D (or for that matter any) licensed fiction. I’m usually pleasantly surprised if it’s readable and I don’t give up after 30 pages. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Scene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Bob\_Scene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Scene)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/50 "2002-11-21T01:24:07Z")
I’m going to go to a bar tonight and try out my new pick-up line: “What are you called by female?” ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/51 "2002-11-21T01:48:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bob Scene \* > \*\*I’m going to go to a bar tonight and try out my new pick-up line: “What are you called by female?” \*\* Then if she responds well to that compliment her on her saggy nipples. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/52 "2002-11-21T05:50:20Z")
Actually, I never meant to suggest that he wasn’t real. I just wondered if he may have decided to take advantage of the similarity of his name to Ed Wood’s and start churning out B-grade fiction. [sub]D&D? I thought that was Gary Gygax.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/53 "2002-11-21T18:37:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silentgoldfish \* > \*\*Then if she responds well to that compliment her on her saggy nipples. \*\* I know that one always works on me! Either that, or you can mention my lithe, opaque nose. A girl loves to feel special. …And from where do _you_ come, barbarian? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/54 "2002-11-21T18:41:04Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kn_ckers \* > \*\*…And from where do _you_ come, barbarian? > \*\* I come from my… Oh, nevermind. b. (And I haven’t seen the mst3k, though i hope to, so I wasn’t ripping them off, it just occurred to me.) ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/55 "2002-11-21T20:03:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kn_ckers \* > \*\*I know that one always works on me! Either that, or you can mention my lithe, opaque nose. A girl loves to feel special. > > …And from where do _you_ come, barbarian? > 😉 \*\* I hail from Accordian, slut!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/56 "2002-11-21T20:04:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kaylasdad99 \* > \*\*Actually, I never meant to suggest that he wasn’t real. I just wondered if he may have decided to take advantage of the similarity of his name to Ed Wood’s and start churning out B-grade fiction. > > [sub]D&D? I thought that was Gary Gygax.[/sub] \*\* Ah. My mistake. No, he’s been churning out B-grade fiction since they started publishing his fiction. His campaign setting pieces are excellent, though. As long as he doesn’t have to translate characters, setting and plot into actual narrative fiction, he’s fine. And Gygax did indeed invent D&D, back in the mid-70s. He’s still the Grand Old Man, with a regular column for D&D’s house organ, _Dragon_ magazine. It consists mostly of old Gary reminiscing about the granddaddy original campaign, _Greyhawk_. The story of the death throes of TSR and D&D’s subsequent rescue by Wizards of the Coast is long, sordid, and entirely outside the scope of this thread, so I’ll skip it. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/57 "2002-11-21T20:11:31Z")
I thought Gygax got leveraged out of the company. Is he really still with TSR? In regards to the OP, Greenwood sucks. Always has, always will. Dig up some old copies of the aforementioned _Dragon_ TSR house organ and read the old “Interviews with Eliminster” (or whatever they called those putrid articles). Crap. Total crap. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/58 "2002-11-21T20:20:46Z")
**Exgineer** , as of the last published issue, Gygax is contributing a regular column to _Dragon_. More than that I cannot say. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569/59 "2002-11-21T20:52:44Z")
Thanks, **jayjay**. My subscribption to the _Dragon_ ran out when I left for college in 1985, so my memory may be a little dim. I really thought they gave Gygax the boot. But Greenwood still sucks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/great-someone-published-the-eye-of-argon/137569.md?page=2)