# Greatest American elimination game (game thread)

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**Created:** [February 10, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423 "2010-02-10T15:08:30Z")\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
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Setup thread: [Greatest American elimination game (setup thread) - The Game Room - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=550191)

We have 102 nominees. What a country! In the first elimination round, as suggested by **septimus** , each player has ten votes to use as he or she sees fit, but can spread them around among several nominees, or even spend them all to eliminate a single nominee. All U.S. Presidents have a free pass for the first round, which will run through Fri. Feb. 12 at noon EST. You need not have participated in the setup thread to vote.

Our list of nominees:

John Adams: President, writer, statesman  
Susan B. Anthony: Suffrage activist  
Lucille Ball: Actress, comedian, redhead  
P.T. Barnum: World’s greatest showman  
Henry Bergh: Saved children, animals  
Leonard Bernstein: Composer, conductor, educator  
Ambrose Bierce: Author, journalist, satirist, critic  
Daniel Bliss: Educator, AUB founder  
John Brown: Righteous, inspirational abolitionist  
James Branch Cabell: Author, marriage proponent  
Andrew Carnegie: Industrialist, philanthropist  
Willis Carrier: Air conditioning pioneer  
George Washington Carver: Agricultural botanist  
Carrie Chapman Catt: Women’s rights suffragist  
Bruce Catton: Civil War historian  
Joshua Chamberlain: Civil War hero  
Cesar Chavez: Civil rights activist  
Chief Joseph (Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt): Leader, peacemaker, tactician  
John Coltrane: Musician, composer  
Aaron Copland: Composer, musician  
Walt Disney: Animator, entrepreneur, icon  
Frederick Douglass: Abolitionist, orator  
Thomas Edison: Inventor, workaholic  
Albert Einstein: Scientist, activist  
Dwight D. Eisenhower: President, war hero  
Ralph Waldo Emerson: Philosopher, writer  
John Franklin Enders: Modern vaccines pioneer  
Philo Farnsworth: TV piorneer, inventor  
Richard Feynman: Physicist, Renaissance man  
Henry Ford: Inventor, industrialist, philanthropist  
Benjamin Franklin: Scientist, statesman, inventor  
Robert Frost: Greatest American poet  
William Lloyd Garrison: Abolitionist, writer  
George Gershwin: Prolific, versatile composer  
Kurt Gödel: Mathematician, incompleteness theorem  
Alexander Hamilton: Financier, economist, statesman  
Robert Heinlein: Science fiction author  
Jimi Hendrix: Influential musician, activist  
Jim Henson: Beloved children’s programmer  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.: Supreme Court Justice  
Langston Hughes: Harlem Renaissance poet  
Andrew Jackson: President, general, populist  
Thomas Jefferson: President, Declaration writer  
Helen Keller: Redefined language, mind  
Walt Kelly: “Pogo” creator, humorist  
John F. Kennedy: President, “New Frontier”  
Martin Luther King Jr.: Preacher, orator, humanitarian  
Jack Kirby: Comics pioneer  
Lewis and Clark (Meriwether and William, resp.): Louisiana Purchase explorers  
Abraham Lincoln: President, emancipator, writer  
Charles Lindbergh: Aviator, American hero  
H.P. Lovecraft: Horror writer  
Douglas MacArthur: WWII general  
James Madison: President, Framer, statesman  
George Marshall: General, diplomat, statesman  
John Marshall: Fourth Chief Justice  
Marilyn Monroe: Legendary film star  
J.P. Morgan: Financial giant, tycoon  
Audie Murphy: Decorated soldier, actor  
Edward R Murrow: Broadcaster  
Thomas Nast: Editorial cartoonist, muckraker  
Richard Nixon: President, lawyer, author  
Jesse Owens: Famed Olympic athlete  
Thomas Paine: Political theorist, pamphleteer  
George S. Patton: WWII general, orator  
John J. Pershing: Top WWI general  
Edgar Allan Poe: Poet, writer, critic  
James K. Polk: President, statesman  
Elvis Presley: Rock and Roller  
Jackie Robinson: Athlete, activist, inspiration  
John D. Rockefeller: Billionaire, philanthropist  
Will Rogers: Humorist, social commentator  
Eleanor Roosevelt: Reformer, writer, advocate  
Franklin D. Roosevelt: President, reformer, statesman  
Theodore Roosevelt: President, conservationist, statesman  
Babe Ruth: Legendary baseball icon  
Carl Sagan: Astronomer, science popularizer  
Jonas Salk: Polio vaccine inventor  
Margaret Sanger: Birth-control pioneer  
William Seward: Diplomat; bought Alaska  
Shel Silverstein: Author, humorist  
Upton Sinclair: Author, muckraker  
Sitting Bull: Indian leader, warrior  
Tecumseh: Indian leader, uniter  
Nikola Tesla: Inventor, engineer  
Henry David Thoreau: Poet, naturalist, philosopher  
Jim Thorpe: Native American athlete  
Harry Truman: President, statesman  
Harriet Tubman: Civil rights advocate  
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens): Humorist, “Huckleberry Finn”  
John von Neumann: Mathematician, scientist, polymath  
Earl Warren: Chief Justice, governor  
George Washington: President, general, statesman  
Daniel Webster: Orator, advocate, statesman  
Orson Welles: Writer, director, actor  
Walt Whitman: Civil War poet  
Eli Whitney: Inventor, cotton gin  
Roger Williams: Statesman, religious leader  
Frank Lloyd Wright: Prairie School architect  
Orville and Wilbur Wright: Aviation pioneers, inventors  
Malcolm X: Civil rights leader  
Babe Zaharias: Greatest female athlete

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/2 "2010-02-10T15:15:34Z")

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My list (from the other thread) - one vote each:

We have too many writers, please eliminate five:

Ambrose Bierce: Author, journalist, satirist, critic  
James Branch Cabell: Author, marriage proponent  
Robert Heinlein: Science fiction author  
H.P. Lovecraft: Horror writer (Poe is more important)  
Shel Silverstein: Author, humorist

Two who just don’t measure up:

Carl Sagan: Astronomer, science popularizer; Cosmos was big, but what did he contribute as a scientist?  
Jim Henson: Beloved children’s programmer competing head-to-head with Walt Disney. Sorry, Jim.

Screw them:

Charles Lindbergh: Aviator, American hero, and Nazi sympathizer.  
Richard Nixon: President, lawyer, author, crook.  
Nikola Tesla: Inventor, engineer, crank, wasted vast amounts of other people’s money.

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/3 "2010-02-10T15:22:46Z")

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Exempting presidents, eh? Shoot, I was going to vote for Adams three times. Instead, I’ll go with:

Lucille Ball  
PT Barnum  
Ambrose Bierce  
James Branch Cabell  
Bruce Catton  
Joshua Chamberlain  
Robert Heinlein  
HP Lovecraft  
Shel Silverstein  
John von Neumann

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/4 "2010-02-10T15:29:15Z")

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OK, here’s my breakdown of the categories, again (editorial comments from previous posts snipped). Some people are listed twice, eg. Thomas Paine as a writer and activist.

Politicians and activists:

US Presidents and other political leaders:

Presidents (13):

John Adams: President, writer, statesman  
Dwight D. Eisenhower: President, war hero  
Andrew Jackson: President, general, populist  
Thomas Jefferson: President, Declaration writer  
John F. Kennedy: President, “New Frontier”  
Abraham Lincoln: President, emancipator, writer  
James Madison: President, Framer, statesman  
Richard Nixon: President, lawyer, author  
James K Polk: President, statesman  
Franklin D. Roosevelt: President, reformer, statesman  
Theodore Roosevelt: President, conservationist, statesman  
Harry Truman: President, statesman  
George Washington: President, general, statesman

Other leaders (9):

Benjamin Franklin: Scientist, statesman, inventor  
Alexander Hamilton: Financier, economist, statesman  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.: Supreme Court Justice  
George Marshall: General, diplomat, statesman  
John Marshall: Fourth Chief Justice  
William Seward: Diplomat; bought Alaska  
Earl Warren: Chief Justice, governor  
Daniel Webster: Orator, advocate, statesman  
Roger Williams: Statesman, religious leader

Native American leaders (3):

Chief Joseph (Hin-mah-too-yah-lat-kekt): Leader, peacemaker, tactician  
Sitting Bull: Indian leader, warrior  
Tecumseh: Indian leader, uniter

Activists:

Women’s rights/suffrage (3):

Susan B. Anthony: Suffrage activist  
Carrie Chapman Catt: Women’s rights suffragist  
Margaret Sanger: Birth-control pioneer

Civil Rights/Abolitionists (10):

John Brown: Righteous, inspirational abolitionist  
Cesar Chavez: Civil rights activist  
Frederick Douglass: Abolitionist, orator  
William Lloyd Garrison: Abolitionist, writer  
Langston Hughes: Harlem Renaissance poet  
Martin Luther King Jr.: Preacher, orator, humanitarian  
Jackie Robinson: Athlete, activist, inspiration  
Eleanor Roosevelt: Reformer, writer, advocate  
Harriet Tubman: Civil rights advocate  
Malcolm X: Civil rights leader

Other Activists (5):

Henry Bergh: Saved children, animals  
Daniel Bliss: Educator, AUB founder  
Thomas Nast: Editorial cartoonist, muckraker  
Thomas Paine: Political theorist, pamphleteer  
Upton Sinclair: Author, muckraker

Scientists and inventors (15):

Willis Carrier: Air conditioning pioneer  
George Washington Carver: Agricultural botanist  
Thomas Edison: Inventor, workaholic  
Albert Einstein: Scientist, activist  
John Franklin Enders: Modern vaccines pioneer  
Philo Farnsworth: TV piorneer, inventor  
Richard Feynman: Physicist, Renaissance man  
Benjamin Franklin: Scientist, statesman, inventor  
Kurt Gödel: Mathematician, incompleteness theorem  
Carl Sagan: Astronomer, science popularizer  
Jonas Salk: Polio vaccine inventor  
Nikola Tesla: Inventor, engineer  
John von Neumann: Mathematician, scientist, polymath  
Eli Whitney: Inventor, cotton gin  
Orville and Wilbur Wright: Aviation pioneers, inventors

Businessmen and industrialists (7):

P.T. Barnum: World’s greatest showman  
Andrew Carnegie: Industrialist, philanthropist  
Walt Disney: Animator, entrepreneur, icon  
Thomas Edison: Inventor, workaholic  
Henry Ford: Inventor, industrialist, philanthropist  
J.P. Morgan: Financial giant, tycoon  
John D. Rockefeller: Billionaire, philanthropist

Generals and soldiers (7):

Joshua Chamberlain: Civil War hero  
Dwight D. Eisenhower: President, war hero  
Andrew Jackson: President, general, populist  
Douglas MacArthur: WWII general  
Audie Murphy: Decorated soldier, actor  
George S. Patton: WWII general, orator  
John J. Pershing: Top WWI general

Writers (17):

Ambrose Bierce: Author, journalist, satirist, critic  
James Branch Cabell: Author, marriage proponent  
Bruce Catton: Civil War historian  
Ralph Waldo Emerson: Philosopher, writer  
Robert Frost: Greatest American poet  
Robert Heinlein: Science fiction author  
Langston Hughes: Harlem Renaissance poet  
Helen Keller: Redefined language, mind  
H.P. Lovecraft: Horror writer  
Thomas Paine: Political theorist, pamphleteer  
Edgar Allan Poe: Poet, writer, critic  
Will Rogers: Humorist, social commentator  
Shel Silverstein: Author, humorist  
Upton Sinclair: Author, muckraker  
Henry David Thoreau: Poet, naturalist, philosopher  
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens): Humorist, “Huckleberry Finn”  
Walt Whitman: Civil War poet

“Show biz” (7):

Lucille Ball: Actress, comedian, redhead  
P.T. Barnum: World’s greatest showman  
Walt Disney: Animator, entrepreneur, icon  
Jim Henson: Beloved children’s programmer  
Marilyn Monroe: Legendary film star  
Edward R Murrow: Broadcaster  
Orson Welles: Writer, director, actor

Musicians and composers (6):

Leonard Bernstein: Composer, conductor, educator  
John Coltrane: Musician, composer  
Aaron Copland: Composer, musician  
George Gershwin: Prolific, versatile composer  
Jimi Hendrix, musician and activist  
Elvis Presley, rock-and-roller

Comics (3):

Walt Kelly: “Pogo” creator, humorist  
Jack Kirby: Comics pioneer  
Thomas Nast: Editorial cartoonist, muckraker

Athletes (5):

Jesse Owens: Famed Olympic athlete  
Jackie Robinson: Athlete, activist, inspiration  
Babe Ruth: Legendary baseball icon  
Jim Thorpe: Native American athlete  
Babe Zaharias: Greatest female athlete

Miscellaneous (3):

Lewis and Clark (Meriwether and William, resp.): Louisiana Purchase explorers  
Charles Lindbergh: Aviator, American hero  
Frank Lloyd Wright: Prairie School architect

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/5 "2010-02-10T15:30:33Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> Richard Nixon: President, lawyer, author, crook.

Didn’t notice that you’d pardoned Tricky Dick in advance for the first round. Throw my final vote on

Marilyn Monroe

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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/6 "2010-02-10T15:46:39Z")

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Walt Kelly  
Walt Kelly  
Walt Kelly  
Walt Kelly  
Jack Kirby  
Jack Kirby  
Jack Kirby  
Jack Kirby  
James Branch Cabell  
Lucille Ball

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/7 "2010-02-10T15:51:01Z")

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OK, round 1, time to thin out the ranks.

Marilyn Monroe  
Jimi Hendrix  
Jim Henson  
Robert Heinlein  
H.P. Lovecraft

Kurt Gödel  
Shel Silverstein  
Carl Sagan  
Malcolm X  
James Branch Cabell

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/8 "2010-02-10T15:52:19Z")

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This isn’t a dis on **Happy** , who is using the rules as stated, but is it wise to allow someone to pile on votes like this? I don’t mind someone icing Walk Kelly, but I can see someone piling ten votes on Ben Franklin right now and knocking him out. I don’t think that’s what we’re after here.

Just saying.

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**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/9 "2010-02-10T15:53:55Z")

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Jimi Hendrix-2 votes  
Elvis Presley-1 vote  
Babe Zaharias-2 votes  
James Branch Cabell-4 votes  
Lucille Ball-1 vote

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/10 "2010-02-10T15:55:20Z")

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> [@StusBlues](#):
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> This isn’t a dis on **Happy** , who is using the rules as stated, but is it wise to allow someone to pile on votes like this? I don’t mind someone icing Walk Kelly, but I can see someone piling ten votes on Ben Franklin right now and knocking him out. I don’t think that’s what we’re after here.
> 
> Just saying.

I kind of agree with this. How about a two vote maximum. I’ll change my votes accordingly.

Also, Walt Kelly is a great satirist. He shouldn’t go out in the first round.

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**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/11 "2010-02-10T15:55:42Z")

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nm

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/12 "2010-02-10T16:00:37Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Setup thread: [Greatest American elimination game (setup thread) - The Game Room - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=550191)  
> In the first elimination round, as suggested by **septimus** , each player has ten votes to use as he or she sees fit, but can spread them around among several nominees, or even spend them all to eliminate a single nominee.

My idea was that the votes could be used as plus or minus, and piled on to _save_ a candidate. I think it makes less sense to pile on to _eliminate_.

By the way, if tallying votes becomes a headache, I’ll volunteer to help. I have _lots_ of practice doing tedious manipulations. 😃

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/13 "2010-02-10T16:07:35Z")

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I will split my votes accordingly:

Henry Ford  
Henry Ford  
Henry Ford  
Henry Ford  
Henry Ford

Malcolm X  
Malcolm X  
Malcolm X  
Malcolm X  
Malcolm X

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/14 "2010-02-10T16:12:15Z")

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I’m wondering if the [Lucille Ball](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_Ball) voters realize the degree to which she was a producer and TV innovator, in addition to an actress. Much more impressive to my mind than Marilyn Monroe.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/15 "2010-02-10T16:15:58Z")

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Fie on you voters of Jim Henson! I mean, if it were just \*The Muppet Show \*I could understand it. But how many generations of Americans have grown up under the benevolent influence of _Sesame Street_?

Anyhoo, here’s my lot for elimination:

Willis Carrier  
John Coltrane  
Robert Frost  
Marilyn Monroe  
J.P. Morgan  
Audie Murphy  
John D. Rockefeller  
Shel Silverstein  
Daniel Webster  
Babe Zaharias

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/16 "2010-02-10T16:53:49Z")

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We have 102 nominees. The field must be winnowed. If someone wants to knock out somebody with all ten of his or her votes, so be it (although I wouldn’t do it myself).

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/17 "2010-02-10T17:16:57Z")

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Let’s knock out:

Daniel Bliss  
James Branch Cabell  
Willis Carrier  
Bruce Catton  
Robert Heinlein (if Asimov’s not here, why leave him in?)  
Jack Kirby  
H.P. Lovecraft  
J.P. Morgan (I hated Match Game :D)  
Babe Ruth (too drunk)  
Malcolm X (I prefer the other civil rights leaders)

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/18 "2010-02-10T17:18:01Z")

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> [@Gyrate](#):
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> Fie on you voters of Jim Henson! I mean, if it were just \*The Muppet Show \*I could understand it. But how many generations of Americans have grown up under the benevolent influence of _Sesame Street_?

Yeah but, I don’t think you can credit the educational / cultural impact of Sesame Street to the account of Jim Henson. While his puppets were critical to the success of the show, it was not his drive, goals or ideals that brought the show into existence. The muppets, while a significant part of the show, are not what makes the show important. I would argue that the curriculum presented through the muppets, cartoons and live-action segments is what makes the show important.

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/19 "2010-02-10T21:48:04Z")

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In a way, this is tougher than the President Elimination Game, because it’s more personal. It’s tough both to see your own choices slated for elimination and to have to knock out someone else’s presumably well-thought-out selections. So to “share the poverty”, as it were, I’ll avoid shooting my wad on any individual, and thus give these ten one vote each:

Daniel Bliss  
James Branch Cabell  
Bruce Catton  
Joshua Chamberlain  
Richard Feynman

Robert Heinlein  
Jack Kirby  
H.P. Lovecraft  
Carl Sagan  
Shel Silverstein

In this round, I’m trying to concentrate on significance, and thus begrudgingly retaining some people whose impact I consider negative on balance, but undeniably seminal.

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**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/20 "2010-02-10T22:04:07Z")

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I think the Shel Silverstein nomination (not mine, BTW) was inspired as he’s one of the coolest people ever to walk the Earth.

It makes me wish I had nominated Tom Lehrer.

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