# Greatest American elimination game (game thread)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [February 10, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423 "2010-02-10T15:08:30Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/301 "2010-02-26T17:31:35Z")

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And it is past 12 EST on Friday, so here we go:

1 Henry Bergh 14  
2 Ralph Waldo Emerson 12  
3 Robert Frost 11  
3 Lewis and Clark 11  
5 George Gershwin 10  
5 Helen Keller 10  
5 John J. Pershing 10  
5 Eleanor Roosevelt 10  
9 Sitting Bull 9  
9 Chief Joseph 9  
9 Will Rogers 9

Thomas Edison 8  
William Seward 8  
Daniel Webster 8

Jim Thorpe 7

Dwight D. Eisenhower 6  
William Lloyd Garrison 6  
James Madison 6  
Upton Sinclair 6

Jonas Salk 5

Langston Hughes 3  
Orville and Wilbur Wright 3  
John Franklin Enders 3  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. 3  
Edgar Allan Poe 3  
Henry David Thoreau 3

Walt Whitman 2

Jackie Robinson  
Harriet Tubman  
Earl Warren

Harry Truman 0

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/302 "2010-02-26T17:33:33Z")

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At this point, I feel like we’re down to few enough survivors that I won’t bother updating the category-by-category list. If someone else wants to, feel free.

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**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/303 "2010-02-26T18:05:49Z")

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Tough round for my nominees; Bergh, Keller, and Sitting Bull were mine. 😛 Ah well, Lincoln was taken. 😛

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/304 "2010-02-26T19:41:49Z")

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Thanks again, **Tom Scud**.

Bergh through Rogers are now gone. It’s only going to get tougher from here. That leaves us with:

Susan B. Anthony: Suffrage activist  
George Washington Carver: Agricultural botanist  
Frederick Douglass: Abolitionist, orator  
Thomas Edison: Inventor, workaholic  
Dwight D. Eisenhower: President, war hero  
John Franklin Enders: Modern vaccines pioneer  
Benjamin Franklin: Scientist, statesman, inventor  
William Lloyd Garrison: Abolitionist, writer  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.: Supreme Court Justice  
Langston Hughes: Harlem Renaissance poet  
Martin Luther King Jr.: Preacher, orator, humanitarian  
Abraham Lincoln: President, emancipator, writer  
James Madison: President, Framer, statesman  
George Marshall: General, diplomat, statesman  
John Marshall: Fourth Chief Justice  
Thomas Paine: Political theorist, pamphleteer  
Edgar Allan Poe: Poet, writer, critic  
Jackie Robinson: Athlete, activist, inspiration  
Franklin D. Roosevelt: President, reformer, statesman  
Theodore Roosevelt: President, conservationist, statesman  
Jonas Salk: Polio vaccine inventor  
William Seward: Diplomat; bought Alaska  
Upton Sinclair: Author, muckraker  
Henry David Thoreau: Poet, naturalist, philosopher  
Jim Thorpe: Native American athlete  
Harry Truman: President, statesman  
Harriet Tubman: Civil rights advocate  
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens): Humorist, “Huckleberry Finn”  
Earl Warren: Chief Justice, governor  
George Washington: President, general, statesman  
Daniel Webster: Orator, advocate, statesman  
Walt Whitman: Civil War poet  
Roger Williams: Statesman, religious leader  
Orville and Wilbur Wright: Aviation pioneers, inventors

**New rules** for voting, as mentioned earlier: now it’s five votes each, and no more than one on any individual. The next round will conclude at noon EST on Mon. March 1.

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**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/305 "2010-02-26T20:04:13Z")

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Five for (not) fighting:

Langston Hughes  
Edgar Allan Poe  
Upton Sinclair  
Henry David Thoreau  
Earl Warren

Mostly, this is my anti-poet and writer vote. And I want to compliment everyone for keeping Garrison in (although I didn’t nominate him). He’s way underrated.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/306 "2010-02-26T20:04:16Z")

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My five:

Dwight D. Eisenhower  
Edgar Allan Poe  
Upton Sinclair  
Jim Thorpe  
Harry Truman

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/307 "2010-02-26T20:28:06Z")

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Thomas Edison  
Henry David Thoreau  
Langston Hughes  
Roger Williams  
Orville and Wilbur Wright

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/308 "2010-02-26T20:34:41Z")

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Daniel Webster  
Jim Thorpe (and, dammit, it hurts to write that)  
John Franklin Enders  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.  
William Seward

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/309 "2010-02-26T20:40:46Z")

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Langston Hughes  
Jonas Salk  
William Seward  
Earl Warren  
Daniel Webster

This group is roughly equal to the size of the field left once the first round of the NCAA basketball tournament is over, so it’s sad to see some gritty efforts (especially Hughes and Warren, in my case) stopped short of the Sweet Sixteen.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/310 "2010-02-26T20:43:02Z")

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> [@StusBlues](#):
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> Daniel Webster  
> Jim Thorpe (and, dammit, it hurts to write that)  
> John Franklin Enders  
> Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.  
> William Seward

I had Thorpe too but realized that I could keep him over Langston Hughes.

Keep Thorpe, vote a poet. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/311 "2010-02-26T20:49:24Z")

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Langston Hughes  
Walt Whitman  
Theodore Roosevelt  
Henry David Thoreau  
William Seward

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/312 "2010-02-26T20:51:11Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> I had Thorpe too but realized that I could keep him over Langston Hughes.
> 
> Keep Thorpe, vote a poet. 🙂

I loves me some Jim Thorpe stories, but was he a great American like the man who wrote “Let America Be America Again” and ignited a revolution in poetic language? Nope. At the end of the day, he was a guy who could play any sport better than anybody else–which is cool, but not the mettle of a Great American.

And if you only knew how much I idolized Jim Thorpe as a kid…

I guess acknowledging that Langston Hughes is a greater American than Jim Thorpe is the price for growing up.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/313 "2010-02-26T20:55:28Z")

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Nicely put, **StusBlues**.

My votes for this round:

George Washington Carver  
John Franklin Enders  
Thomas Paine  
Upton Sinclair  
Roger Williams

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/314 "2010-02-26T21:06:14Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> I had Thorpe too but realized that I could keep him over Langston Hughes.
> 
> Keep Thorpe, vote a poet. 🙂

You chose Hughes over Edgar Allen Poe? Meh, says I.

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/315 "2010-02-26T21:15:55Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Nicely put, **StusBlues**.
> 
> My votes for this round:
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> George Washington Carver  
> John Franklin Enders  
> Thomas Paine  
> Upton Sinclair  
> Roger Williams

Thank you for the nice complement. That said, do you really think that the person who established the first bastion of religious freedom in America is not a greater American than Jim Thorpe?

And this is from a guy who grew up with a Jim Thorpe poster on his wall. He may have been our greatest athlete, but his accomplishments did not transcend the playing field. Hate to pick on him, but Roger Williams is one of the truly great figures in our history, and Thorpe, great as he was, is not.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/316 "2010-02-26T21:19:02Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> You chose Hughes over Edgar Allen Poe? Meh, says I.

Coin toss, I like Poe better. I understand the importance of Hughes but do not enjoy his work. I’ll vote Poe next time though and quite possibly Thorpe.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/317 "2010-02-26T23:36:34Z")

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William Lloyd Garrison  
Jim Thorpe  
Harriet Tubman  
Edgar Allan Poe  
Jackie Robinson

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**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/318 "2010-02-27T00:31:54Z")

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Orville and Wilbur Wright  
Jim Thorpe  
Walt Whitman  
William Lloyd Garrison  
Upton Sinclair

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/319 "2010-02-27T02:51:19Z")

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> [@StusBlues](#):
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> Thank you for the nice complement. That said, do you really think that the person who established the first bastion of religious freedom in America is not a greater American than Jim Thorpe?..

I cannot say that all of my votes are completely rational. I’ve always admired and respected Jim Thorpe. He overcame tremendous adversity and still set a standard of good sportsmanship, deep humility and amazing skill that is legendary. Roger Williams just doesn’t evoke the same visceral reaction in me.

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**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/320 "2010-02-27T04:35:36Z")

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Jim Thorpe 5

Walt Whitman 5

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