# Greatest American elimination game (game thread)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [February 10, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423 "2010-02-10T15:08:30Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/362 "2010-03-03T05:22:22Z")

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Susan B. Anthony  
John Franklin Enders  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.  
Earl Warren  
Roger Williams

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/363 "2010-03-03T13:27:39Z")

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Your morning standings update (through Justin Credible’s votes):

1 Walt Whitman 8  
2 Jonas Salk 7  
3 Henry David Thoreau 6  
3 George Washington Carver 6  
3 John Franklin Enders 6

Daniel Webster 5  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. 5

Dwight D. Eisenhower 4  
Orville and Wilbur Wright 4  
Thomas Edison 4

Earl Warren 3  
Roger Williams 3  
Susan B. Anthony 3

Frederick Douglass 2  
James Madison 2  
John Marshall 2  
Thomas Paine 2  
Jackie Robinson 2

George Marshall  
Theodore Roosevelt  
Harriet Tubman

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/364 "2010-03-03T14:18:48Z")

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George Washington Carver  
John Franklin Enders  
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.  
Earl Warren  
Daniel Webster

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/365 "2010-03-03T17:06:16Z")

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And as it is now 12 EST, the final standings for this round:

1 Walt Whitman 8  
2 Jonas Salk 7  
2 George Washington Carver 7  
2 John Franklin Enders 7  
5 Henry David Thoreau 6  
5 Daniel Webster 6  
5 Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. 6

Dwight D. Eisenhower 4  
Orville and Wilbur Wright 4  
Thomas Edison 4  
Earl Warren 4

Roger Williams 3  
Susan B. Anthony 3

Frederick Douglass 2  
James Madison 2  
John Marshall 2  
Thomas Paine 2  
Jackie Robinson 2

George Marshall  
Theodore Roosevelt  
Harriet Tubman

Whitman is the last of my nominees to go by the wayside. Serves me right for waiting until late in the day to make them.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/366 "2010-03-03T18:06:00Z")

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Surprising that both vaccine pioneers bit the dust, but I admit I’m glad to see the Wright Brothers still in this thing.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/367 "2010-03-03T19:22:33Z")

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Likewise, **MsWhatsit** , and thanks again, **Tom Scud**.

Whitman through Holmes are now gone. As the eighth round begins, that leaves us with some very big names:

Susan B. Anthony: Suffrage activist  
Frederick Douglass: Abolitionist, orator  
Thomas Edison: Inventor, workaholic  
Dwight D. Eisenhower: President, war hero  
Benjamin Franklin: Scientist, statesman, inventor  
Martin Luther King Jr.: Preacher, orator, humanitarian  
Abraham Lincoln: President, emancipator, writer  
James Madison: President, Framer, statesman  
George Marshall: General, diplomat, statesman  
John Marshall: Fourth Chief Justice  
Thomas Paine: Political theorist, pamphleteer  
Jackie Robinson: Athlete, activist, inspiration  
Franklin D. Roosevelt: President, reformer, statesman  
Theodore Roosevelt: President, conservationist, statesman  
Harriet Tubman: Civil rights advocate  
Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens): Humorist, “Huckleberry Finn”  
Earl Warren: Chief Justice, governor  
George Washington: President, general, statesman  
Roger Williams: Statesman, religious leader  
Orville and Wilbur Wright: Aviation pioneers, inventors

Still five votes each, and no more than one against any individual. The next round will conclude at noon EST on Fri. March 5.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/368 "2010-03-03T20:15:36Z")

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Dwight D. Eisenhower  
George Marshall  
Thomas Paine  
Harriet Tubman  
Earl Warren

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/369 "2010-03-03T20:33:49Z")

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Dwight D. Eisenhower  
James Madison  
Thomas Paine  
Jackie Robinson  
Orville and Wilbur Wright

Big ow. It came down to Robinson or Earl Warren for the last spot and ultimately I had to keep the man who decided _Brown vs. the Board of Education_.

I’d also like to apply for a further slackening of the pace after this round - we’re already down to a top 20; we’ll be down to 15 at most after this. Paring off a third of those in a single vote seems excessive.

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**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/370 "2010-03-03T20:42:01Z")

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Here goes my Marshall Plan:

Dwight D. Eisenhower  
George Marshall  
John Marshall  
Harriet Tubman  
Earl Warren

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/371 "2010-03-03T21:04:34Z")

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Jackie Robinson  
Harriet Tubman  
Roger Williams  
Mark Twain  
Susan B. Anthony

Oof.

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/372 "2010-03-03T21:10:46Z")

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Agree with **Tom Scud** about going to single-elimination rounds after this. Since I can’t cast five votes for Earl Warren (my only pick from the last batch to still be hanging around), I’ll reluctantly include four of the true greats:

Frederick Douglass  
John Marshall  
Thomas Paine  
Jackie Robinson  
Earl Warren

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/373 "2010-03-03T21:25:01Z")

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Orville and Wilbur Wright  
Thomas Edison  
Roger Williams

I will abstain for the last two.

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**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/374 "2010-03-03T21:31:51Z")

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George Marshall  
John Marshall  
Mark Twain  
Harriet Tubman  
Thomas Paine

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 3, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/375 "2010-03-03T21:35:08Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> …I’d also like to apply for a further slackening of the pace after this round - we’re already down to a top 20; we’ll be down to 15 at most after this. Paring off a third of those in a single vote seems excessive.

Agreed. I was thinking that, too.

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**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/376 "2010-03-04T01:08:04Z")

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George Marshall  
Jackie Robinson  
Harriet Tubman  
Mark Twain  
Walt Whitman

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**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/377 "2010-03-04T01:22:11Z")

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Dwight D. Eisenhower  
George Marshall  
John Marshall  
James Madison  
Roger Williams

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/378 "2010-03-04T01:46:37Z")

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Since I’m not sure if I’m going to be around much tomorrow, a standings update:

1 George Marshall 5  
1 Harriet Tubman 5  
3 Dwight D. Eisenhower 4  
3 John Marshall 4  
3 Thomas Paine 4  
3 Jackie Robinson 4

Mark Twain 3  
Earl Warren 3  
Roger Williams 3

James Madison 2  
Orville and Wilbur Wright 2

Susan B. Anthony  
Frederick Douglass  
Thomas Edison

0 votes for Lincoln, Washington, both Roosevelts, King, and Franklin.

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**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/379 "2010-03-04T03:01:24Z")

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Orville and Wilbur Wright  
George Marshall  
Thomas Paine  
John Marshall  
Roger Williams

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**Author:** ![Stowed\_Bob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stowed_bob/32/3312_2.png) [@Stowed\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stowed_Bob)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/380 "2010-03-04T03:28:31Z")

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Orville and Wilbur Wright  
Dwight D. Eisenhower  
James Madison  
Thomas Edison  
Benjamin Franklin - The father of America’s paranoia thanks to being vocally bigoted about immigrants not of the British isles, especially Germans.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-american-elimination-game-game-thread/528423/381 "2010-03-04T06:01:19Z")

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I’ve never heard Franklin _ever_ cited by anti-immigrant yahoos, nor read that he ever was. I just don’t see how you can hold him to blame for that vile strain of American thought.

All of the remaining nominees are undeniably important, but still we must narrow the field. My votes:

Thomas Edison - a great inventor but a failure as a human being  
James Madison - vitally important in the establishment of the republic, but had a disastrous Presidency that saw the White House burned  
Thomas Paine - became a mere polemicist and even slandered George Washington in his (Paine’s) declining years  
Mark Twain - a great writer, of course, but now it’s time for him to go  
Roger Williams - yes, important for the principle of religious freedom, but he doesn’t belong in the historical stratosphere with those few who remain on the list

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