Greatest American elimination game (game thread)

Man, I’m going to be sad to see Aaron Copland go (he’s my favorite composer) but I’m not strongly enough invested in him to actually do anything about it. :stuck_out_tongue:

No problem at all. For what it’s worth, my count matches :slight_smile:

Albert Einstein 5
Edward R Murrow 5

Man, I was really looking forward to this one. I’m sad I missed the first part. Here’s my votes for this round:

Edward R Murrow
Robert Frost
Aaron Copland
Upton Sinclair
Sitting Bull
John Pershing
John von Neumann
Thomas Nast
Henry Bergh
Susan B. Anthony

I’m actually pretty disappointed that Jefferson was spared last round. A great American to be sure, but what fun is the game going to be if it just comes down to the predictable Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson/Franklin matchup at the end? Sometimes seeing a big upset in an early round is the most fun part of a game like this.

Chief Joseph x3

Langston Hughes x2

Earl Warren x2

Jesse Owens x3

Well, Henry Ford and Babe Ruth bit the dust early…

Henry Bergh 3
Jim Thorpe 2
Jesse Owens 2
George Gershwin
Thomas Nast
Upton Sinclair

Nixon would not have listened to them either. Plus Bay of Pigs and the Berlin Wall probably prodded Khruschev to act tough against Kennedy.

Five votes for Sitting Bull

Five votes for Aaron Copland

Thomas Jefferson x5
Thomas Nast x5

Update:

Aaron Copland 14

Albert Einstein 10
Jesse Owens 10
John von Neumann 10
Thomas Jefferson 10
Thomas Nast 10

Edward R. Murrow 8

Jim Thorpe 7
John Adams 7
Upton Sinclair 7

Walt Whitman 6
Sitting Bull 6

Chief Joseph 5
Dwight Eisenhower 5
Henry Bergh 5
Will Rogers 5

Harry Truman 4
Helen Keller 4

Earl Warren 3
Eli Whitney 3
Langston Hughes 3
Robert Frost 3

Daniel Webster 2
George Gershwin 2
Jackie Robinson 2
Jonas Salk 2
William Seward 2

Alexander Hamilton 1
Henry David Thoreau 1
Ralph Waldo Emerson 1
John Pershing 1
Susan B. Anthony 1

It seems to me that some of these people had influence over the country out of proportion to the amount of exposure they have in the national consciousness. Roger Williams, for example – in setting his colony up for religious tolerance, he enjoyed the advantages early voters have in this game, of setting the tone and influencing the topic of discussion. How much is he responsible for America’s religious freedom? I feel like it could easily have gone the other way, and am inclined to regard him as one of those people lurking in the back of the national memory who did more than he gets credit for. Wikipedia also says he advocated fair dealings with Native Americans, which I hadn’t remembered.

Similarly, Paine just wrote and stirred things up. But what he wrote still moves men. Also, as I recall, his timing was good; The American Crisis was first published during the moment of maximum need. His later career was focused on the French revolution, but his voice is indelibly a part of America’s start.

Speaking of indelibly American voices, Mark Twain’s combination of folksy style and modern sensibility helped raise the world’s estimation of American rhetoric, and his relentless cynicism about the folly of man is what keeps his moralism from being empty preaching. I just think that while Twain may not have achieved as many concrete improvements as some of the others on the list, he’s on a very short list of truly American characters in the world’s consciousness.

Frederick Douglass and George Marshall are two more whom I feel are probably undervalued in American history courses. They will almost certainly be bumped off eventually, but I’m glad to see them getting this far untouched.

On to eliminations: there’s a few people I assume aren’t going to make the final shortlist that I am reluctant to vote off right now…because it looks like minorities are taking some heavy casualties in the early rounds. The only Hispanic I’m aware of (Cesar Chavez) was picked off early and aggressively; Native Americans are precarious on the list since most of them are here for resisting; and probably because athleticism provided earlier avenues for achievement, African Americans (and Jim Thorpe, and another minority, a woman, Babe Zacharias) are inadvertently bearing the brunt of the (otherwise justifiable, IMHO) effort to reduce the population of athletes.

So, while I feel Langston Hughes probably doesn’t belong in the late-game listings (a fine writer and an authentic American voice, but not Founding Father-class) I am unwilling to boot him at this time and further the (almost certainly unintentional, and perhaps inevitable) whitewashing trend.

Eli Whitney: x4 His invention probably did prolong slavery.
John von Neumann: Just not stirring me.
John J. Pershing: the most pedestrian of the remaining generals
Alexander Hamilton: x2 Over-hyped, and as mentioned before, responsible for the Alien and Sedition nonsense.
Jonas Salk: x2

Interestingly, while I was at first inclined to boot William Seward in this round, largely for his initial contempt for Lincoln and being something of a schemer, I did some reading first, and changed my mind. His tireless antislavery efforts worked better than those of most abolitionists; he actually may have been as responsible as any individual for ending the Atlantic slave trade. For that, I will forgive him for Sarah Palin and hope to usher him into the next round. :slight_smile:
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I’ve been wavering on Hughes myself, but I don’t think I can bring myself to vote for the writer of “Let America be America Again”.

Uh… what?

Alaska.

Ah, gotcha. Well, as much as she’s moved around, she might’ve become governor somewhere else if not Alaska. Hardly seems fair to blame Seward for her. :wink:

Minorities are not doing so well in the game, but there is always Martin Luther King, who should go deep. He’ll probably go farther then the women; Susan B. Anthony and Eleanor Roosevelt are the most likely to survive until the late rounds, but neither is a probable winner.

Alexander Hamilton x3
Thomas Jefferson x2
Eli Whitney x2
Albert Einstein x2
Helen Keller x1

Lewis and Clark x3

Dwight D. Eisenhower x2
John J. Pershing x2
Helen Keller x2

Eli Whitney x1