# Greatest Heist in MMO History (Eve) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 6, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736 "2009-02-06T18:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/41 "2009-02-07T12:46:19Z")
Oh…I forgot. What is the in-game Doper’s channel? My PC had a hard crash a few weeks back and my game forgot all its channels (among other annoyances). ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/42 "2009-02-07T13:07:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Oh…I forgot. What is the in-game Doper’s channel? My PC had a hard crash a few weeks back and my game forgot all its channels (among other annoyances). Teeming Millions. It’s in the forum sticky about MMO clans if you ever forget again. I was wondering what happened to ya. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/43 "2009-02-07T13:12:07Z")
Eve really isn’t as difficult to play as everyone makes it out to be. You can slap together a ship and get out to run missions immediately if you want. I think Eve is a lot of fun, but it’s definitely more Civilization than Doom. Running an Eve corp is actually pretty easy, and making money in the game is really easy. The level of players intelligence or attention to detail is way overstated. I am able to make millions of isk an hour if I want precisely because very few people actually play the market like I do. And I’m not talking rocket science here, I am just talking about knowing what the common parts are, and the markets where they are cheap vs markets where they are expensive. I became CEO of my corp very shortly after playing. I’ve been playing since June. It can get boring, like waiting in a gate camp for four hours until your enemies finally get enough people online to think they can come break your camp. It’s a lot of fun when you show them that they can’t. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/44 "2009-02-07T13:16:44Z")
> [@Vox\_Imperatoris](#): > > If they made a game that was like EVE Online but actually fun, I don’t think I would ever stop playing it. The philosophy behind the game is absolutely _perfect_. > > Valete, > Vox Imperatoris > > ETA: **Just Some Guy** , that’s the only thing good about it. And you don’t \*have \*to be a sociopath; plenty of people play miners who don’t ever kill anybody except pirates come to raid them. Well you run into jackasses who like to kill players, and a lot of people who live in ‘high security’ areas that has Concord as a police force. _in general_ you are pretty safe in high sec unless your corporation gets into a corporate war with another corp [you can avoid this in 2 ways, first, never leave the nonplayer character game generated corp, or be in a corp that has a plan for avoiding war.] You run into situations where shit happens occasionally. I got a previously allied corp leader pissed off at me that he tried to get a mercenary corporation to declare war on us and specifically destroy my very expensive mining command ship. It failed spectacularly because my corp leader was an acquaintance of the mercenary leader, and he contacted Bam, told him what he was asked to do and that gave us the heads up that something was going on. They have actually tried slipping in a couple of ringers that didnt make it through our screening process. Most corporations are reasonably happy to either PVP other players of the same mindset in low sec space, or to be mining//manufacturing/research moneymakers in high security. Aruvqan of 3Mco, mining director ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/45 "2009-02-07T13:23:39Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Oh…I forgot. What is the in-game Doper’s channel? My PC had a hard crash a few weeks back and my game forgot all its channels (among other annoyances). Teeming millions ---
**Author:** ![counsel\_wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/65b543/32.png) [@counsel\_wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/counsel_wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/46 "2009-02-07T13:55:43Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Goons need to really organize rather than run in like hooligans wanting to smash the place up a bit. I don’t think you get Goons. (last catchphrase usage, I promise) If we (and yes I’m in GS, but not GF) wanted to be in a structured militarily organised environment there’s a hundred poser alliances we could have joined where they track fleet attendance and give you campaign medals and talk about respect and good fights. Buzzing around like coked up hooligans in a coke store with a sign out front saying ‘free coke’ is just more fun. Essentially cracking open a dev constructed fortress like delve in such a fluke way is such a goon thing to happen. Now it may well be that Kenny will manage to regain much of their space, but the opportunity was created through a goon cultural victory (our way is more fun). Come to delve, help us burn stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/47 "2009-02-07T18:14:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > This is just not true. Heck, look at Goons. I remember when they came into the game. IIRC the Something Awful crowd had a reputation for going into MMOs and turning them upside down. Just generally fucking with anything and everybody and often ruinous to the rest of the player’s experience. They hit EVE and met their match. Right from the outset they started shaking things up but they just could not quite succeed in upending EVE as was their want (and they sure tried). Granted they were behind the ball a bit to directly tackle BoB due to skills being lower and such but it never stopped them, they kept having at it and eventually became serious competition to BoB. > > The thing about EVE is it is a _sandbox_ game. Most people want the game served to them on platter and be led through. EVE just drops you out there and the rest is mostly up to you. In the case of Goons they made their own game, charted their own course and been having a helluva time ever since. > > The other thing is the people. Sure you get the occasional smacktard but by and large EVE is populated by a good bunch…even your mortal enemies often have decent folk behind them that are fun to talk to. I know people around the world from this game who I am certain will buy me a beer if I ever get in their neck of the woods. Heck…here is a [New York Times article](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/arts/television/28beve.html?_r=1&scp=6&sq=eve%20online&st=cse) on the week long BBQ the head of BoB throws in Sweden every year for BoB members (and people come from all over to attend). > > EVE really is what you make it. I understand some people need the excitement non-stop from a game and others need the game to provide direction but in the end I think EVE serves up a far more profound and subtle experience. I played Eve off and on for a couple years and never got above an Incursus with tier 1 stuff and never broke over a couple hundred mill ISK. I guess I just suck. I’m sorry for being wrong, I’ll go bte myself to make up for it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/48 "2009-02-07T18:56:41Z")
**Jragon** Yea I don’t know what the issue is. I started last June, based partly on your recommendation. I’ve seen billions of isk go through my wallet, lost several Battleships and Battlecruisers and currently own half a dozen combat ships and several haulers. I run a small but profitable corp as CEO with other dopers. In fact the main people I play with are dopers that started around that time, we’ve jumped through several corps and two alliances by this point. How did you get to a couple hundred million isk just by flying an incursus? ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/49 "2009-02-07T19:02:48Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > **Jragon** Yea I don’t know what the issue is. I started last June, based partly on your recommendation. I’ve seen billions of isk go through my wallet, lost several Battleships and Battlecruisers and currently own half a dozen combat ships and several haulers. I run a small but profitable corp as CEO with other dopers. In fact the main people I play with are dopers that started around that time, we’ve jumped through several corps and two alliances by this point. > > How did you get to a couple hundred million isk just by flying an incursus? Flying a couple thousand courier missions. I was just following my successful friends’ advice. They told me to never join a corp until you have 10 or 20 bill, are completely tier two, and have podded people solo in low sec, even if you’re production or mining, because you’ll be expected to pull your weight. They gave me an incursus and told me never to buy a new ship unless it was tier two and I could afford to deck it out in all higher value tier two mining AND combat equipment at once. I was also advised to stockpile processed ore, not sell it, so I could donate it to my corp for production when I joined one so I’d be in good standing. They also told me combat missions lose you money more often than not so I should only do courier and mining missions, so I did tons of those for months on end and never spent anything, that’s how I got that much in an incursus, saving. Was that bad advice? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/50 "2009-02-07T19:29:53Z")
**Jragon** Wow you got some bad advice. That’s seriously horrible advice. They essentially told you to grind the game for like 5 years and THEN start playing. ---
**Author:** ![counsel\_wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/65b543/32.png) [@counsel\_wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/counsel_wolf)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/51 "2009-02-07T23:14:43Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > **Jragon** Wow you got some bad advice. That’s seriously horrible advice. They essentially told you to grind the game for like 5 years and THEN start playing. Gotta agree with this. Sounds like your friends are into the ‘we’re elite pvpers who wouldn’t talk to our mother if she didn’t have more than 20 million SP’ scene rather than the ‘how can I play this game and have some fun’ scene. Spend some of the cash, fit out a ship in anything at all and go see what’s out there. If you want practice running gate camps, try get to J-L in delve or HED8 or whatever the name of AAA’s main junction box system is. If you want to try hand at pirating stuff, there should be lots of stupid goons trying to solo fly large amounts of tasty tasty cargo from feyth to delve, see if you can work out what route they’ll be taking and set up a gate camp with some friends. (Yes I am a goon and I’ll still laugh at people flying expensive shit solo and without a scout, they deserve to get blown up) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/52 "2009-02-07T23:26:32Z")
> [@counsel\_wolf](#): > > I don’t think you get Goons. (last catchphrase usage, I promise) > > If we (and yes I’m in GS, but not GF) wanted to be in a structured militarily organised environment there’s a hundred poser alliances we could have joined where they track fleet attendance and give you campaign medals and talk about respect and good fights. > > Buzzing around like coked up hooligans in a coke store with a sign out front saying ‘free coke’ is just more fun. Essentially cracking open a dev constructed fortress like delve in such a fluke way is such a goon thing to happen. Now it may well be that Kenny will manage to regain much of their space, but the opportunity was created through a goon cultural victory (our way is more fun). > > Come to delve, help us burn stuff. Hey…fair enough. You pay to play so play as you see fit. If that is your thing knock yourself out and I’ll be here cheering you on. I just think that one of Goons primary stated purposes is the dismantlement of BoB. If after BoB gets the rug yanked out from under them so thoroughly and Goons cannot follow through with the Coup de Grace then it looks rather horrible for Goons. Goons may not care of course but like it or not you exist in an MMO and perceptions count. If BoB keeps Delve and re-establishes itself Goons will look like a bunch of, well, goons. In the end of course it is all a game and whatever happens we’ll all have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/53 "2009-02-08T03:10:21Z")
Would it be completely stupid to speculate that this game is something like a very advanced version of Trade Wars? -Kris ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/54 "2009-02-08T12:56:07Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Was that bad advice? Your friends were: A) masochists B) idiots C) players who signed on at launch and don’t know how it is to be a n00b these days (things are much easier from what I’ve read) I don’t know if those things they told you were true before, but they sure as hell aren’t now. Let me tell you about my n00b days, starting around April of 07. I spent the first couple weeks doing the tutorial missions, then decided to try my hand at manufacturing. I bought some Rifter and ammo blueprints, trained up to fly a Scythe mining cruiser, and made myself a few mil. I made friends with a bunch of Republic University guys and we ran missions together in Rifters and then Thrashers (they seemed so awesome back then), or hung out while mining. I tangled with an ore thief and lost, but fought back harder than he expected. I wandered out into lowsec and got podded while hunting “rats” (NPC pirates). Really, I went through a dozen Rifters a week at some points. But other than a few older players randomly giving out ISK to n00bs, I made enough money to keep at it. I joined a PvP corp that was involved in 0.0 combat. Unfortunately for me they were in the middle of changing alliances and were of a similar mindset to your friends, and wanted things from me that I simply didn’t have. I actually stopped playing for a while, partly from frustration and partly because of RL stuff. They kicked me out for inactivity, which was fine by me. When I started again, I joined up with Teras and Jock in a new corp that did manufacturing. But we also run missions a lot. As for money, personally I have never had more than about 120 mil at a time, I’m always buying new skillbooks or blueprints or things like that. And I do lose expensive ships, but I know how to make the money back. > [@Frylock](#): > > Would it be completely stupid to speculate that this game is something like a very advanced version of Trade Wars? > > -Kris Actually I say that all the time, but most people don’t know what the hell I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/55 "2009-02-08T15:07:15Z")
I’ve been playing for 6+ years and I have yet to see 5 billion in my wallet. I had 3.5 billion once for a few days then reinvested it. Total assets and debts owed to me are something north of 10 billion but in general I rarely have more than 150 mil in my wallet at any given time. The notion that some noob is to have 5 bil on hand in short order is patently absurd. Oh, and going way back there was a time where 100 million was genuinely wealthy. These days if you can do L4 missions you can easily make that much in a few days. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/56 "2009-02-08T17:06:13Z")
An L4 if you don’t get thrashed and fully salvage it should be worth between 10 and 25m a piece. Also if someone will let you salvage their L5 you’re going to be sitting pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/57 "2009-02-08T17:47:56Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Would it be completely stupid to speculate that this game is something like a very advanced version of Trade Wars? > > -Kris THATS a blast from the past. I wonder if anybody has a ww4 clone up. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/58 "2009-02-08T23:58:17Z")
There are some Telnet BBSes out there. I tried out a few a couple years back. They’re just like the old days, except without the 1200 baud dialup. ---
**Author:** ![MJinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@MJinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MJinks)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/59 "2009-02-09T01:26:03Z")
I’ve been out of the loop for a long time now but I just checked the territorial maps and it seems BoB have reformed as a new alliance and continue to hold the same space, have regained sovereignty and are still producing ships. Also it seems the Goons have lost space since I last checked? What’s the latest news? This is the best chance the Goons are going to get to take Delve, surely they’re not _that_ incompetent? Where can I find the latest friend-or-foe (the right word escapes me at this hour) list? I’m interested to know if there have been any big allegiance switches lately. EVE was a great game, it does require a massive investment of time If you want to take part in large scale territorial warfare though, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/60 "2009-02-09T14:56:43Z")
After reading this thread and numerous other accounts over the years, I broke down and decided to see what all the fuss is about. I’m still not quite hooked, but I played from 8:30 to 1:30 last night and talked about it with my husband for another 30 minutes or so (and we had to wake up at 7:30 this morning). And I’m looking forward to playing some more tonight. A lot of time was spent just trying to figure out stuff and it wasn’t until the end of the night that I figured out how to train skills, but we both managed to buy another ship for cheap that has a larger cargo capacity. A few questions. Are all the quests either deliver this, collect that, kill those? I realize that’s what the vast majority of MMO quests are about; I’m just wondering if there are others, like escort quests or “go repair these billboards at these locations.” Is the storyline portion of the game only so you can get powerful enough to join in the PVP stuff? I’m really more of a PVE player, and while I like some PVP, it’s usually not my primary focus in MMOs. Do the storyline-related quests eventually run out? Husband and I both accepted a mining quest in the same space station, but when I warped to the quest area, I was in a different place than him. I warped over to his location and mined, but when I went to turn in the quest, it wasn’t flagged as done. I had to warp to the area it wanted me to go to, mine a bit, and then the quest flagged complete. Is this going to be a common occurrence? Kind of defeats the purpose of working together in a fleet if we can’t do quests in the same area. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736.md?page=4)