# Greatest Heist in MMO History (Eve) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 6, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736 "2009-02-06T18:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MJinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@MJinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MJinks)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/61 "2009-02-09T17:11:08Z")
After my last post I started reading the EVE-O forums and it all started flooding back. I couldn’t get to sleep for the longest time, kept thinking about EVE. I’ve re-subscribed and it looks like I haven’t played for 2 years! I didn’t know it was that long. All my stuff is in 0.0, I’ve put a lot on the market and returned to empire for now. I feel so out of my depth all over again. Now I just need to scrape together some ISK and start farming missions for a bit (first I’d better buy a ship I guess). ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/62 "2009-02-09T17:25:17Z")
OK guys, contact me, and hook up with out corp and we can help you get back onto your feet/get started up=) in game, Aruvqan, corp is 3MCO ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/63 "2009-02-09T18:37:36Z")
> [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > A few questions. Are all the quests either deliver this, collect that, kill those? Pretty much. There are also a few recon missions out there, and we’ve been promised “epic mission arcs” with branching mission trees that depend on player action. But they’ll probably involve killing things. No escort of repair quests as far as I’m aware, though. > [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > Is the storyline portion of the game only so you can get powerful enough to join in the PVP stuff? That’s actually a bit confusing on CCP’s part. There is no real ‘storyline’. There are storyline _missions_, but those just mean missions that are a bit more involved than normal missions and which give a greater standings bonus for whoever offered them. And, some people run missions till the day that they quit EVE. You never have to stop. Likewise, with a relatively small amount of training (a few hours to a few days, depending on start build) you can be perfectly capable in PvP. Hell, all you really need is a frigate, a microwarpdrive, and a web/warp disruptor. Then you’re a valuable member of a gang even if you’re brand new to EVE. > [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > I’m really more of a PVE player, and while I like some PVP, it’s usually not my primary focus in MMOs. Do the storyline-related quests eventually run out? Yes, you will find yourself repeating them. The ‘epic’ mission arcs should help, though. > [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > Husband and I both accepted a mining quest in the same space station, but when I warped to the quest area, I was in a different place than him. I warped over to his location and mined, but when I went to turn in the quest, it wasn’t flagged as done. I had to warp to the area it wanted me to go to, mine a bit, and then the quest flagged complete. Is this going to be a common occurrence? Yes. What happened is that the game spawned a deadspace area with a specific ore for you to mine, and one for your hubsand. You each needed to get the ore from the areas that the game had set up for you. You can, however, just run the missions together. Gang up, have only one person request the mission (or both request your own and just help each other) and then have the person who requested it go back to the agent when the mission is complete and ask for ISK and loyalty points to be distributed evenly amongst your gang. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/64 "2009-02-09T18:45:06Z")
When he says ‘Gang up’ he means click on the icon for your husband and click, ‘Form fleet with’ from the drop down menu. You can then warp together, warp to each other and all that jazz. There are more complex fleet functions that can be used like tagging enemies and such. I just did the most lucrative mission I’ve ever run. It should be worth over 2m if someone wants the faction laser crystal I found. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/65 "2009-02-09T18:46:27Z")
And take **aruvqan** up on his offer to join his corp!! EVE documentation sucks donkey balls, and the learning curve if you try to learn on your own is ridiculous. Get into a real corp and you gain access to a lot of information from older players. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/66 "2009-02-09T18:50:52Z")
Most lucrative L1 mission that is. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/67 "2009-02-09T18:54:16Z")
Also ask questions in the noob corp. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/68 "2009-02-09T18:54:48Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > And take **aruvqan** up on his offer to join his corp!! I think that **Aruvqan** has girl parts. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/69 "2009-02-09T19:29:51Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I think that **Aruvqan** has girl parts. That’s my understanding. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/70 "2009-02-09T19:32:43Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > That’s my understanding. mrAru is pleased that I have girly parts [even at the wrong time of the month he has learned to cope, throw chocolate in the room and shut the door really fast…] Actually, mrAru even plays eve=) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/71 "2009-02-09T20:24:43Z")
Girls in EVE? I am astounded. Astounded! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/72 "2009-02-09T20:36:31Z")
Pffft. Of course not. It’s the _internet._ All ‘women’ are overweight 30+ year old men. All ‘men’ are pimply faced, insecure teenage boys. All ‘children’ are FBI agents. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/73 "2009-02-09T20:40:20Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > All ‘children’ are FBI agents. Male FBI agents, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/74 "2009-02-09T20:58:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Pffft. Of course not. It’s the _internet._ > All ‘women’ are overweight 30+ year old men. > All ‘men’ are pimply faced, insecure teenage boys. > All ‘children’ are FBI agents. MMORPG = Many Men Online Role Playing Girls As to the new players definitely ask questions in the newb corp and also ask in the Help channel. There is even a special help channel for new players. After three months (or a month…I forget) you are autokicked from that channel but the regular Help channel is quite useful as well. Lots of senior players lurk in there when doing something boring (gate camping or mining or something) and provide lots of assistance. And do not fret…the learning curve is steep but you can get by just fine at the start with a little help. As you grow into the game you learn things you need to learn at that time. I am not kidding when I say I still learn new things all the time. Joining a player run corp is a HUGE help and lots more fun so take the other Dopers up on their offer and join (could join mine too but I think the others will provide a better experience for you at this point…join the “Teeming Millions” channel as well). Remember you can always leave at anytime and almost always corps are fine with that and wish you well (unless you ripped them off). As for not wanting to PvP you can, by-and-large, avoid it for your whole EVE career. No place is 100% safe except inside a station. Once you undock the possibility to get shot does exist. In the hi sec areas though that is very rare unless someone is at war with your corp or you have exceptionally valuable cargo/fittings in an easily popped ship. Stay AWAY from low sec/no sec at ALL costs! Eventually you may want to head out there but till you have a better feel for how things work avoid it. That is unless you want to find people who WILL shoot at you, in which case knock yourself out. One last thing. A HUGE new expansion (always free) is coming out on March 10. In fact it was put up on the Test Server today. Give EVE a go at least till that comes as lots of new goodies will be added. ETA: Really, really really do the tutorial. That is the one thing that will get the Help Channels and other players cranky towards you if they think you are asking stuff that would have been covered in the tutorial. The tutorial can be a bit boring but do it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/75 "2009-02-09T21:36:18Z")
Yea definitely the first step should be to join “Teeming Millions”, several of us hang out in there. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/76 "2009-02-09T22:15:08Z")
Other than **3MCO** , are there any other doper-officer corps here? I want to set my corp’s standing to you appropriately. Mine is Rocketfeller Corp (RKTF). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/77 "2009-02-10T00:42:24Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > Other than **3MCO** , are there any other doper-officer corps here? I want to set my corp’s standing to you appropriately. Yes, finally a Doper wardec! Wait, what? ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/78 "2009-02-10T01:35:41Z")
I’ll definitely give the Doper corporation a try before my 14-day trial is up, though I’m not quite ready just yet. I like to take things a little slow until I’m more comfortable. Thanks for all your help. This game is definitely intriguing, because I’ve been talking about it all day and reading the Wiki in my free time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/79 "2009-02-10T03:16:46Z")
> [@Just\_Some\_Guy](#): > > One time where it was admitted and a lot of times where there were large piles of circumstantial evidence. I’m kind of interested in what will turn up when the BoB director forum archives go public in a day or so. > > EVE I think is a wonderful experiment in exactly why MMO designs giving the players significant power will never be mainstream. It’s like Lord of the Flies for nerds, a game where you have to be a sociopath to get ahead. It’s absolutely delightful to watch from the outside but I’d never want to play it or anything like it… Hell, for me this is the only kind of stuff that will ever grab my attention in a MMO game. I think “sociopath” is likely too strong a word (more experienced types can correct me)-“opportunist” or even “Machiavellian” might be better. Sadly the subject matter of Eve doesn’t interest me at all, but if I could hide in my ivory tower and design some spell which would sow confusion amongst my enemies long enough for a band of infiltrators to reach the King’s bedroom, well I’m there. There’s precious little depth in orc hacking and starship slicing (tho that can be fun), but add in intrigue and sneaky alliances and subterfuge… But you are right on the first part, most of that kind of stuff is wayyy above the head of the typical WarcraftHead. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736/80 "2009-02-10T15:50:21Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Hell, for me this is the only kind of stuff that will ever grab my attention in a MMO game. I think “sociopath” is likely too strong a word (more experienced types can correct me)-“opportunist” or even “Machiavellian” might be better. Sadly the subject matter of Eve doesn’t interest me at all, but if I could hide in my ivory tower and design some spell which would sow confusion amongst my enemies long enough for a band of infiltrators to reach the King’s bedroom, well I’m there. There’s precious little depth in orc hacking and starship slicing (tho that can be fun), but add in intrigue and sneaky alliances and subterfuge… But you are right on the first part, most of that kind of stuff is wayyy above the head of the typical WarcraftHead. Which is good because even the seriously dumb Eve players are smarter than what I hear of the average person in Warcraft. I would never play WoW, it just seems well, dull to me. If I want to just hack and slash I’ll play Halo or Force Unleashed. Sociopath is a bit dramatic. Eve is also good for people who like to organize things, and there are just so many career paths one can take that it really suits a lot of specialization and working together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-heist-in-mmo-history-eve/484736.md?page=3)