# Greatest Military Leader elimination game (game thread)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [August 12, 2010, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010 "2010-08-12T02:50:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 19\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/521 "2010-10-29T19:44:12Z")

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> [@Malthus](#):
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> … aaand to be ranked highest among the Gods of War, eight hundred years after your death, in an Internet game. 😃

I also like the _Conan_ addition of, “to hear the lamentations of their women.”

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/522 "2010-10-29T19:51:13Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> I also like the _Conan_ addition of, “to hear the lamentations of their women.”

To paraphrase _Alien_: “on the Internet, no-one can hear your lamentations”. 😃

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**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/523 "2010-10-29T19:52:18Z")

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Yay! Let’s do it all over again!

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**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/524 "2010-10-29T20:38:35Z")

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> [@MOIDALIZE](#):
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> Yay! Let’s do it all over again!

So say we all!

Any ideas for a topic? I vote “Greatest Living General.”

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/525 "2010-10-29T20:53:01Z")

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> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> So say we all!
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> Any ideas for a topic? I vote “Greatest Living General.”

How about the “worst military leader” game? That has a nice symmetry to it. Let’s find the anti-Genghis!

I nominate George Brinton McClellan! 😃

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**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/526 "2010-10-29T22:02:33Z")

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> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> Any ideas for a topic? I vote “Greatest Living General.”

I’m not sure I feel that qualified to judge currently active commanders and really my knowledge of modern military history probably starts trickling down to the minimal by the late 1970’s.

But I betcha Giap would be a strong candidate to clean house :).

> [@Malthus](#):
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> How about the “worst military leader” game? That has a nice symmetry to it.

On the other hand, this sounds more promising. Incompetence is always worth “celebrating” :p.

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**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/527 "2010-10-29T22:20:35Z")

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As much as I would love to make Giap’s case again, I think a worst military leader thread would be pretty fun.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/528 "2010-10-29T23:44:04Z")

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Well, OK, but didn’t we sort of do that already, with our early eliminations?

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**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/529 "2010-10-29T23:59:43Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Well, OK, but didn’t we sort of do that already, with our early eliminations?

Goodness, no. Those were merely the worst of the best.

Well, aside from McClellan and Charles the Bold.

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**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/530 "2010-10-30T00:23:21Z")

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> [@MOIDALIZE](#):
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> Goodness, no. Those were merely the worst of the best.
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> Well, aside from McClellan and Charles the Bold.

Agreed. Even McClellan and Charles the Bold deserve a little credit for _building_ good armies ( on paper ). There are definitely worse candidates out there.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/531 "2010-10-30T03:54:55Z")

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> [@Tamerlane](#):
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> Agreed. Even McClellan and Charles the Bold deserve a little credit for _building_ good armies ( on paper ). There are definitely worse candidates out there.

That’s sort of the problem with a “worst military commander” game, though. The only really deserving winner is going to be some idiot who was put in command because he was somebody’s nephew, and then got himself killed so swiftly that he didn’t even make history - he just died fighting in some absurd border skirmish or whatever.

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**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/532 "2010-10-30T04:43:03Z")

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> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> That’s sort of the problem with a “worst military commander” game, though. The only really deserving winner is going to be some idiot who was put in command because he was somebody’s nephew, and then got himself killed so swiftly that he didn’t even make history - he just died fighting in some absurd border skirmish or whatever.

Worst important/famous military leader, perhaps?

Nice game, guys. 🙂 I’ve been watching, but I mostly felt out of my depth after the beginning while. It’s been fun to see, though!

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**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/533 "2010-10-30T16:49:59Z")

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> [@Mr.Excellent](#):
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> That’s sort of the problem with a “worst military commander” game, though. The only really deserving winner is going to be some idiot who was put in command because he was somebody’s nephew, and then got himself killed so swiftly that he didn’t even make history - he just died fighting in some absurd border skirmish or whatever.

I disagree. One of the first nominees I thought of was William Westmoreland.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/534 "2010-10-31T03:01:28Z")

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Shall I start another nomination thread for Worst Military Leader, or would someone else like to?

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/535 "2010-11-01T13:56:25Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Shall I start another nomination thread for Worst Military Leader, or would someone else like to?

Please do … thanks!🙂

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 1, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/536 "2010-11-01T18:33:24Z")

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All right, I’ll wait another week or so to let the dust settle here, and then do it. Don’t want any Dopers to burn out on these elimination games.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/537 "2010-11-08T17:53:51Z")

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> [@Malthus](#):
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> Please do … thanks!🙂

Ask, and ye shall receive: [Worst Military Leader elimination game (setup thread) - The Game Room - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=584794)

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/538 "2010-11-08T18:55:18Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Ask, and ye shall receive: [Worst Military Leader elimination game (setup thread) - The Game Room - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=584794)

Again, thanks for setting it up - I’m new to these games, and they are surprisingly fun & informative!

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-military-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/550010/539 "2010-11-08T19:25:56Z")

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Glad to! I get a kick out of them, too.

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