# Greatest National Leader elimination game (game thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 20, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098 "2010-05-20T03:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/141 "2010-06-18T18:00:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > …(I missed a round. Do I get twice the votes this round? 😉 ) Nope, but thanks for asking! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/142 "2010-06-18T22:09:05Z")
Since Churchill is my only nominee left, I’ll try to protect him by splitting my vote only two ways this time: Isabella – 5 Umar – 5 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/143 "2010-06-21T17:07:28Z")
The votes: **Otto von Bismarck - 9 Asoka - 8 Isabella I of Castille - 8** Elizabeth I, Muhammad, Umar - 5 each Saladin - 4 Alexander the Great, Winston Churchill - 3 each The top three are now gone. That leaves: Alexander the Great - Macedonian conqueror, emperor Caesar Augustus - Founded Roman Empire Gaius Julius Caesar - Roman dictator, general Winston Churchill - British wartime inspiration Cyrus the Great - Great, benevolent conqueror Elizabeth I of England - Shrewd, determined queen Frederick II - Ruled 1700s Prussia Hammurabi - First written laws Abraham Lincoln - Won Civil War Muhammad - United all Arabia Nebuchadnezzar II - Babylon’s greatest ruler Rameses II - Egypt’s greatest pharaoh Peter the Great - Modernized, expanded Russia Saladin - Muslim leader, warrior Qin Shi Huang - Unified China emperor Umar - Expanded Islamic empire George Washington - First U.S. president The current round of voting will end on Weds. June 23 at noon EST. Same rules as the previous rounds: ten votes per player, no more than five against any single leader, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/144 "2010-06-21T17:13:12Z")
Washington and Peter the Great both get 5 points. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/145 "2010-06-21T17:25:41Z")
Saladin 5 Churchill 5 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/146 "2010-06-21T19:09:38Z")
Elizabeth I of England - 5 Nebuchadnezzar II - 5 I’m surprised to see I’m the only one holding a grudge over the Captivity in Babylon. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/147 "2010-06-21T19:32:37Z")
Nebuchadnezzar II - Babylon’s greatest ruler - 5 Umar - Expanded Islamic empire - 5 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/148 "2010-06-21T19:41:57Z")
> [@Justin\_Credible](#): > > Nebuchadnezzar II - Babylon’s greatest ruler - 5 > Umar - Expanded Islamic empire - 5 I’ll echo both of these votes. **septimus** , what’s your beef against the Virgin Queen? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/149 "2010-06-21T20:41:31Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > **septimus** , what’s your beef against the Virgin Queen? I’ve no beef against her, just find her overrated. (And let’s pass on the debate over whether she really was a virgin! :rolleyes: ) Considering just Monarchs of England, those greater than Elizabeth include Alfred, Henry II, William the Bastard, and probably a few others including Elizabeth’s own father! (Indeed one compliment paid her is that with her will-power, “she was her father’s daughter”.) I realize she’s considered very influential but the Civil War just a few decades later had more effect on English politics. I’m not good at alternate history but had she not reigned, England and Scotland would have been joined in personal union sooner, probably Protestant (despite Mary), and strong enough militarily that the Spanish would never have attempted invasion in 1588. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/150 "2010-06-21T21:52:45Z")
Still hanging around: Umar – 5 Checking in: Peter the Great – 5 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/151 "2010-06-22T00:43:09Z")
5 - Washington 5 - Alexander ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/152 "2010-06-22T03:05:50Z")
**Churchill** - 5 **Nebuchadnezzar II** - 5 - The most formidable ruler of his day, but victim of dynastic failure, as the Chaldeans went down ~23 years after his death to the even more successful Cyrus. Babylonian culture remained hugely influential, even dominant, in the region for centuries thereafter, but we can’t really lay that to Nebuchadnezzar’s credit. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/153 "2010-06-23T15:20:10Z")
Nebuchadnezzar II - 4 Umar - 4 Washington - 1 Peter the Great - 1 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/154 "2010-06-23T17:23:48Z")
Not a good round to be an ancient king. The votes: **Nebuchadnezzar II - 24 Umar - 19** Peter the Great - 11 George Washington - 11 Winston Churchill - 10 Alexander the Great, Elizabeth I, Saladin - 5 The top two are now gone. That leaves: Alexander the Great - Macedonian conqueror, emperor Caesar Augustus - Founded Roman Empire Gaius Julius Caesar - Roman dictator, general Winston Churchill - British wartime inspiration Cyrus the Great - Great, benevolent conqueror Elizabeth I of England - Shrewd, determined queen Frederick II - Ruled 1700s Prussia Hammurabi - First written laws Abraham Lincoln - Won Civil War Muhammad - United all Arabia Rameses II - Egypt’s greatest pharaoh Peter the Great - Modernized, expanded Russia Saladin - Muslim leader, warrior Qin Shi Huang - Unified China emperor George Washington - First U.S. president The current round of voting will end on Fri. June 25 at noon EST. Same rules as the previous rounds: ten votes per player, no more than five against any single leader, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/155 "2010-06-23T17:25:04Z")
5 - Washington 5 - Alexander the Geat ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/156 "2010-06-23T17:26:36Z")
Continuing to beat the same 2 horses: Churchill 5 Saladin 5 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/157 "2010-06-23T17:29:51Z")
Just a suggestion, but to help avoid evenly split votes (like mine above), perhaps you might institute a rule that you can’t allocate the same number of votes to more than one candidate? Exception would be allocation of 1 vote. So you could have (5,3,1,1) but not (3,3,3,1) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/158 "2010-06-23T17:34:48Z")
Winston Churchill - 4 Frederick II - 4 Elizabeth I of England - 2 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/159 "2010-06-23T21:01:12Z")
Hammurabi - 2 Frederick II - 3 Elizabeth I - 5 You ask why I oppose the Virgin Queen? _I’m astonished by the opposite question_: She’s outlasted Alfred the Great, Bolivar, Charlemagne, Gandhi, Nebuchadnezzar II, etc. :dubious: 😕 (There are 2 or 3 leaders I’m pleasantly surprised to see still around. I won’t name names as it’s sure to jinx them. 🆒 ) ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greatest-national-leader-elimination-game-game-thread/540098/160 "2010-06-23T21:02:56Z")
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