# Greed on display (plane crash related) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391 "2009-01-28T16:24:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/61 "2009-01-31T05:31:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I also have some $100 pants and shirts. It would probably actually take more than a few shirts to get me to $1000—maybe 6 or 8—but if i (someone without too much money) can do it, i’ll bet there are plenty of other people, especially business travelers, who can do it easily. And that’s all good and well, but again, completely irrelevant. Every passenger is provided a copy of the airline’s baggage liability when booking. Take more at your own risk, or purchase travel insurance. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/62 "2009-01-31T05:55:52Z")
> [@atomicbadgerrace](#): > > And that’s all good and well, but again, completely irrelevant. Every passenger is provided a copy of the airline’s baggage liability when booking. Take more at your own risk, or purchase travel insurance. Look, moron, i’m not arguing about what the rules are; i’m arguing about what i believe they should be. You’re welcome to disagree, but my point was not irrelevant, precisely because it was made in support of the particular argument i was making. ---
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/63 "2009-01-31T06:13:34Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Look, moron …blah blah blah… While they aren’t legally obligated to provide more than a couple hundred bucks, your $1,000 suit is covered under US Airways’ own policy, provided you can substantiate your claim, of course. I think most major carriers limit their own liability to the same neighborhood. $3,300 seems more than enough for the vast majority of people flying, and if US Airways is doing fine self-policing, then I see no need to increase legal requirements right now. I don’t know where the sudden bit of hostility and defensiveness came from, but fuck you too, cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/64 "2009-01-31T06:19:50Z")
Since I’ve ever only made a non-automotive insurance claim once and it was pretty cut and dried, I’m curious: wouldn’t the loss of particularly expensive items be covered by insurance? Assuming they were insured, of course. By this I mean personal insurance. When my TV blew up due to lightning, say. Is my stuff only insured while it is in my home or car? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/65 "2009-01-31T06:24:45Z")
> [@atomicbadgerrace](#): > > …blah blah blah… > > While they aren’t legally obligated to provide more than a couple hundred bucks, your $1,000 suit is covered under US Airways’ own policy, provided you can substantiate your claim, of course. I think most major carriers limit their own liability to the same neighborhood. $3,300 seems more than enough for the vast majority of people flying, and if US Airways is doing fine self-policing, then I see no need to increase legal requirements right now. > > I don’t know where the sudden bit of hostility and defensiveness came from, but fuck you too, cunt. It came because you called irrelevant something that was, in fact, directly relevant to the argument i was making. If you need me to explain the difference between the concept “how things are” and the concept “how i believe they should be,” you’re probably not smart enough to be here. As for the $3,300 limit, i never said it was unreasonable; in fact, i’ve said on numerous occasions that i believe US Airways is doing a good job on this incident. People in this thread, however, argued that the legal requirement is $500, and my argument was centered precisely on that issue. Again, the fact that this was apparently lost on you, despite my multiple posts addressing the issue, says little for your perspicacity. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/66 "2009-01-31T08:54:17Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > And isn’t he glad he’s alive \*after a plane crash \*to whine about his luggage? Which isn’t what he’s doing…he’s complaining about PTSD and such. Please tell me that you’re not suggesting that PTSD isn’t real or that people who experienced a plane crash cannot get it/should not get it because the joy of surviving should be enough to eliminate the trauma of the situation. Please say you’re not saying that.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/67 "2009-01-31T09:37:32Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Please tell me that you’re not suggesting that PTSD isn’t real or that people who experienced a plane crash cannot get it/should not get it because the joy of surviving should be enough to eliminate the trauma of the situation. Please say you’re not saying that.:rolleyes: It doesn’t matter how real it is, it’s not the airline’s fault that he’s suffering. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/68 "2009-01-31T10:35:17Z")
[quote=“1920s Style “Death Ray”, post:67, topic:483391”] It doesn’t matter how real it is, it’s not the airline’s fault that he’s suffering. [/QUOTE] That, I believe, may end up being a finding of fact for a jury to determine. But just the same, it is absolutely belittling to the survivors of a trauma to suggest that they should be glad to just be alive and not complain about PTSD or whatever mental after effects they may be suffering after what they’ve gone through. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/69 "2009-01-31T12:40:09Z")
I will happily belittle a survivor of trauma if they use the trauma to get payment from a faultless party. The man SHOULD be glad he’s alive. He SHOULD be happy that he is able to complain at all. He should then keep his complaints of trauma between him, his doctor, and his own insurance company. ---
**Author:** ![cedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedman)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/70 "2009-01-31T13:57:26Z")
[quote=“1920s Style “Death Ray”, post:69, topic:483391”] I will happily belittle a survivor of trauma if they use the trauma to get payment from a faultless party. The man SHOULD be glad he’s alive. He SHOULD be happy that he is able to complain at all. He should then keep his complaints of trauma between him, his doctor, and his own insurance company. [/QUOTE] Maybe the airline should sue him back. Ya know, if he hadn’t bought a ticket, there wouldn’t have been a flight to hit the geese and there wouldn’t have even been a crash. Bastard bought a ticket, THAT’S what put him in the water in the first place! :D:D:D This post makes just as much sense as his whining. :D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/71 "2009-01-31T17:53:04Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > People in this thread, however, argued that the legal requirement is $500, and my argument was centered precisely on that issue. Again, the fact that this was apparently lost on you, despite my multiple posts addressing the issue, says little for your perspicacity. It wasn’t lost on me. So what if the legal requirement is $500? The airlines are doing a fine job of self policing, and unless that changes, I don’t know why anyone should rally to make them legally obligated to do something they already obligate themselves to do. There’s no real difference in how things _are_ vs. how you think they _should be_ – things are right now such that baggage liabilities are where you think they should be. The only difference is that you want some kind of law to force them to accept the terms of their own contract. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/72 "2009-01-31T21:45:07Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > That, I believe, may end up being a finding of fact for a jury to determine. Unless there’s more basis for liability than currently appears, none of the cases from this event, even if filed, should ever get to a jury: That’s what summary judgment is for. And PSTD and like conditions engender more sympathy when complaints about them aren’t tied so closely to payment for them. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/73 "2009-02-01T00:24:54Z")
Buddy should clearly sue the estate of the geese; this is where the blame lies. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/74 "2009-02-01T00:49:33Z")
If the passengers win their case against the airline, the geese involved will have laid golden eggs. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391/75 "2009-02-01T06:18:32Z")
Near the end of [this _Scientific American_ podcast](http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=darwin-ghostbuster-muse-and-magistr-09-01-22), its stated that the survivors of the crash are at a very **low** risk for suffering PTSD from the accident. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greed-on-display-plane-crash-related/483391.md?page=3)