# Greek pronunciation question--"Metaxa" **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 23, 2005, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greek-pronunciation-question-metaxa/305173 "2005-05-23T21:57:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gardentraveler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gardentraveler/32/3576_2.png) [@gardentraveler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gardentraveler)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greek-pronunciation-question-metaxa/305173/21 "2005-05-24T22:44:00Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#): > > It’s not the worst crime in the world, and I’m sure Metaxa and Turandot are pronounced as though they were local words in Mexico and France respectively, but it seems something of a “false sophistication” to do it if one is speaking English. Since we’re talking about pronunciation… I think a Mexican bartender would pronounce the X in Metaxa much as the OP does. There are at least four different ways to pronounce X in Mexican Spanish. [This](http://www.azteca.net/aztec/mexico.html) is the only accurate (to me) sounding link I could find quickly. Interesting discussion of where the X in Mexican spelling came from (don’t know if it’s accurate, but it sounds plausible). In my experience, X is pronounced like “ks” in anything that’s a foreign word or contraction (Banco Nacional de México became Banamex, for example, which ends in the ks sound). Also, there’s a popular soccer team called Necaxa (with a “ks”); I’m guessing Metaxa sounds very much like that team name. I’m ambivalent about pronouncing foreign words in English. I’m fluent in Spanish and German, and there are certain words that I just can’t pronounce with an American accent. They sound more artificial to me if I “Americanize” them than if I pronounce them in the original language. GT ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2005, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greek-pronunciation-question-metaxa/305173/22 "2005-05-25T00:59:16Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#): > > It’s not the worst crime in the world, and I’m sure Metaxa and Turandot are pronounced as though they were local words in Mexico and France respectively, but it seems something of a “false sophistication” to do it if one is speaking English. What’s even worse is when such false sophistication results in a pronunciation that’s just plain wrong, like the way I hear most broadcasters pronounce any Indian name that has a _j_ in it, like “Rajeev.” They almost invariably use a Frenchified \*j[/i[ – Razheev. This “zh” sound doesn’t exist in any Indian language. Indian _j_s are pronounced pretty much like English _j_s as in “judge.” I don’t know why this became so common. My theory is that there is some lurking idea in the English speaking mind that if it’s foreign, it’s gotta have French _j_s in it. ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2005, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greek-pronunciation-question-metaxa/305173/23 "2005-05-25T09:45:16Z")
> [@gardentraveler](#): > > I’m ambivalent about pronouncing foreign words in English. Tell me about it! It’s a problem that I still haven’t resolved with 100% consistency. I’ve gone full circle on a lot of placenames, at least. When was a child, I heard of places like Paris, Rome, Munich, and Seville. As I grew older, traveled more, and became more sophisticated (hah!), and wanted to show my worldliness, the last two became München and Sevilla, even when speaking English. Those were their **names** , dammit, and I eschewed the English variants. However, I wasn’t so foolish as to use “Paree” for the pronunciation of the first, or “Roma” for the written or spoken name of the second. That would be silly! I’ve since decided that such usage is inconsistent, and in fact does a disservice to places such as Munich and Seville that have standardized English variants. I now think it’s an _honor_ for a town to be of such importance that people in a foreign country actually have a separate name for it! So, no more München, Sevilla, Firenze, or Venezia for me (except while speaking the local language, of course). My hardest nut to crack on this is the French city in which I lived for four years, Orléans. As a child reading about Joan of Arc, I would imagine “Or-lee-ans” (with the a being a schwa). Then I learned the French pronunciation (which **cannot** easily be inserted into an English sentence wihout bringing everything to a halt), and years later the N’Awl’ns pronunciation of “New Orleans”. I still can’t put the name of the place I lived in France into an English sentence and feel happy about it. Anyway, this is all a diversion from the OP, which is not about “correct” pronunciation that is used inappropriately, but a pronunciation that is flawed from the start: **Hunter Hawk** : I’d like a Meh-TAKS-uh, please. **Bartender’s Brain** : Hey, that’s a foreign word… I bet it’s not pronounced the way it’s spelled in English… don’t want to sound like a rube… I know that “Mexico” is pronounced “Mehico” … I bet it’s like that… **Bartender** \*(out loud)\*: Certainly Sir, one Metaha coming up! I hope that the above doesn’t seem too patronizing. It’s something with which I can really identify, and I know that I’ve made similar blunders hundreds of times. [I grew up pronouncing Cervantes’ classic “Don Kwiksote”, which was correct for the UK at the time. Is it still? I haven’t heard a Brit say it in a while. At least in France it’s spelled \*Don Quichotte\* and given the corresponding French pronunciation, so there’s no quandary.] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greek-pronunciation-question-metaxa/305173.md?page=1)