# Greer gets death threats and kicked out of his church. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 27, 2005, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409 "2005-03-27T00:17:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/41 "2005-03-27T09:48:37Z")
**Reeder** , I live 1,000 miles from Clearwater and I belong to a different denomination from Judge Greer. What, exactly, am I _supposed_ to do? I’ve already been called some pretty harsh things by Fundamentalist Christians (I’m not sure how many were Southern Baptists) because of my support for homosexuals and homosexual marriage. I have no reason to believe they’ll listen to me on this issue, especially one who goes to a church which has information about a lawsuit it filed relating its support of the ordination of a homosexual bishop. Should I renounce my faith? Hell, bloody, NO! Not just because it’s Easter (it’s considered rather bad form to renounce one’s faith on Easter), but because I will _not_ allow the faith which has quite literally saved my life to be hijacked by the Religious Right. Come on, it’s basic military strategy if you’re fighting a war. You need a good 5th column on the inside, working toward your aims. Think of me as a member of the French Resistance during WWII, if you will 😉 (anyone remember Lebeau from _Hogan’s Heroes_?), but I am _not_ surrendering and I’m certainly not defending this twit. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/42 "2005-03-27T10:02:30Z")
That sounds good, **Siege**. Now get to work. What those idiots do to your religion isn’t my problem, but they’re royally fucking up my country. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/43 "2005-03-27T10:10:53Z")
[Bad French accent] I vill tell you zis only once. Today, I vill be _infiltrating_ a small, unsuspecting church. If I tell you more, I vill have to kill you. [/Bad French accent] Come to think of it, if I hurry, I can make a certain multi-denominational sunrise service and hit several targets at once! Hmmm. _Vive le Resistance!_ CJ Yes, I miss _'Allo 'Allo_! ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/44 "2005-03-27T10:35:47Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > And this is why every thread that challenges the claims of the Christian faith is doomed. Very few here have the balls to consider that religion in general and its attendant self-righteousness, pressure to conform, and intolerance of dissent contribute to hateful behavior. Freethinkers don’t have inquisitions or heresy trials. We don’t kick people out of our clubs. Wow. You really are full of shit aren’t you? Read the first paragraph of [this](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244999/site/newsweek/page/2/) article in Newsweek and check the numbers. 81% of Americans identify as Christian. Seems like a majority. But let’s come back to that later. In the same poll we find this: 78% believe (3% fewer) Jesus rose from the dead. (Seems we aren’t all one and the same, huh?) 75% (6% fewer) believe he was sent here to absolve us of our sins. (The mindless cohesion is starting to fall apart) So let’s go to the lowest number and say only 3/4 of the population of the US can agree on the fundamental basics of Christianity. Take a look at whatever political party you associate with. Are they representative of more than 25% of the population? How about in Washington? Would you say less than 25% are Christians? Whatever happens in Washington, and no matter how far left or right they are, most would say they are Christian. But I doubt they hate you as much as you hate them for thier faith. I rejected your call for tolerence before, and it’s now cemented. I honestly thought you wanted to help teach tolerence, and more importantly acceptance, of homosexuality. Now? Well, now I’ll look to more reasonable Dopers like **Otto** and **matt\_mcl** for opinions on what’s happening in the real world of gays. I never fathomed you hated me so much for believing in Christ. I’m being the polar of opposite of snarky when I say I’m truly saddened. Best of luck to you, dear **gobear** ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/45 "2005-03-27T10:39:58Z")
Seems we have a lot of people getting up on the cross today. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/46 "2005-03-27T10:41:46Z")
Of course, they’re two days late… ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/47 "2005-03-27T10:43:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Seems we have a lot of people getting up on the cross today. 😃 Am I the second? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/48 "2005-03-27T10:52:43Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Am I the second? 😕 [I was thinking of this post **milroyj** made.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5992035&postcount=831) ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/49 "2005-03-27T11:00:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [I was thinking of this post **milroyj** made.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5992035&postcount=831) I was hoping not, just making sure. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/50 "2005-03-27T12:29:27Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Yep…good “christian” behavior. > > Defend this christians. Reeder, Perhaps you’d like to open another thread and dare all Muslims worldwide to defend Al Qaeda. We smart people realize this shit doesn’t flush. Why don’t you join us? ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/51 "2005-03-27T12:34:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Probably so. Still makes him look like an intolerant ass. I think this was a pit thread about intolerance, not about the rights of private organizations to control their membership. Well, sorta. I think this was more of a thread to paint all Christians as hypocrites. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/52 "2005-03-27T12:43:29Z")
> [@11811](#): > > Reeder, > > Perhaps you’d like to open another thread and dare all Muslims worldwide to defend Al Qaeda. We smart people realize this shit doesn’t flush. Why don’t you join us? The answer lies within the first line of your response. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/53 "2005-03-27T14:36:02Z")
I don’t think it’s right to call Greer’s minister an intolerant asshole. If he believes that pulling the plug on Terri really is murder, then throwing Greer out of the church is the least he can do. I wouldn’t want an unrepentant murderer sitting in the pew next to me. And GOD told him that Terri’s soul is still in that body. Religion is irrational. He’s behaving irrationally. Only to be expected. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/54 "2005-03-27T14:59:15Z")
Dear Duffer, I do not hate you, I disagree with your religion. That you cannot comprehend the difference saddens me. _Ite, missa est._ ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/55 "2005-03-27T15:17:31Z")
Check my post in the other thread, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5992762&postcount=910](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5992762&postcount=910) (hope that works) for the best I can find on official position statements on the difference between removing heroic measures and mercy killing. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/56 "2005-03-27T15:18:57Z")
> [@Hoodoo Ulove](#): > > I don’t think it’s right to call Greer’s minister an intolerant asshole. If he believes that pulling the plug on Terri really is murder, then throwing Greer out of the church is the least he can do. I wouldn’t want an unrepentant murderer sitting in the pew next to me. Devil’s advocate here…wouldn’t “unrepentant murderers” be the ones who need spiritual guidance the most? Prodigal sons and all that? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/57 "2005-03-27T15:46:44Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Devil’s advocate here…wouldn’t “unrepentant murderers” be the ones who need spiritual guidance the most? Prodigal sons and all that? Well, the BTK killer’s pastor thinks [so:](http://www.miami.com/mld/ohio/2004/11/21/news/local/11052613.htm) > [@](#): > > Over the past week, he has given numerous media interviews, ministered to his flock, including Rader’s shocked wife, and prayed with a shackled Rader in jail. > > “I do not have the privilege of assuming that he’s guilty,” Clark said. “I have to stand there with him and help him through this, whatever the outcome.” > > The pastor said he does not feel betrayed or deceived or hurt by Rader. As for the sins he is accused of, he said, “We all walk in sin.” ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/58 "2005-03-27T16:02:16Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > As far as asking Judge Greer to leave, that is a private matter between his church and him. Just as Judge Greer believes that Mrs. Schiavo’s medical decisions are a private matter between the hospital and Mr. Schiavo. > . and we see how well that’s working out ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/59 "2005-03-27T16:04:34Z")
[QUOTE] > [@\*\*duffer\*\*](#): > > Wow. You really are full of shit aren’t you? Read the first paragraph of [this](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244999/site/newsweek/page/2/) article in Newsweek and check the numbers. > > 81% of Americans identify as Christian. Seems like a majority. But let’s come back to that later. > > In the same poll we find this: > > 78% believe (3% fewer) Jesus rose from the dead. (Seems we aren’t all one and the same, huh?) > > 75% (6% fewer) believe he was sent here to absolve us of our sins. (The mindless cohesion is starting to fall apart) I did not see a margin of error for that poll but if we assume + or - 3% then any of those figures could range from 75% to 81%, completely invalidating your point. At any rate, it’s hardly a strong argument against unilateral thinking to cite a 6% difference of opinion among members of a goup. ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409/60 "2005-03-27T16:28:35Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Devil’s advocate here…wouldn’t “unrepentant murderers” be the ones who need spiritual guidance the most? Prodigal sons and all that? Religious question. You’d have to ask God about that, not me. Or maybe I should say the minister needs guidance from the judge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/greer-gets-death-threats-and-kicked-out-of-his-church/296409.md?page=4)