The Canadian province of Ontario has voted to remain on DST (Eastern) year round - if the adjacent province of Quebec (to the east), and the adjacent US state of New York (to the south-east) agree. I’m assuming that if NY agreed, all of New England and some other Eastern time zone states would go along. You would now have a huge Atlantic Standard Time zone.
The West Coast states have done the same thing except it’d be Paciic Daylight (Mountain Standard) Time. Some states in other parts of the country have also done this. Unfortunately, states have to get Congress’ permission to do it and virtually nothing but the bare minimum legislation is getting through Congress these days. The same would apply to NY, so don’t hold your breath.
If Daylight Time is used in the winter, here are some examples of what time the sun would rise in early January:
8:14 in Boston
8:20 in New York City
8:34 in Montreal
8:51 in Toronto
8:58 in Seattle
9:02 in Detroit
9:07 in Vancouver
I DO appreciate the value of an extra hour of light on a wintry afternoon, but if the price is a pitch black sky at 8 AM, I’d rather pass on it.
Why?
(Why, O Discourse gods, why is “Why?” not sufficient?)
They don’t. Federal law provides for DST by default, but gives states the possibility to opt out. See 15 USC § 260a:
During the period commencing at 2 o’clock antemeridian on the second Sunday of March of each year and ending at 2 o’clock antemeridian on the first Sunday of November of each year, the standard time of each zone established by sections 261 to 264 of this title, as modified by section 265 of this title, shall be advanced one hour and such time as so advanced shall for the purposes of such sections 261 to 264, as so modified, be the standard time of such zone during such period; however, (1) any State that lies entirely within one time zone may by law exempt itself from the provisions of this subsection providing for the advancement of time, but only if that law provides that the entire State (including all political subdivisions thereof) shall observe the standard time otherwise applicable during that period, and (2) any State with parts thereof in more than one time zone may by law exempt either the entire State as provided in (1) or may exempt the entire area of the State lying within any time zone.
So basically, federal law says: (1) We think that by default all states should follow DST; (2) if a state really doesn’t want to, it can opt out; (3) but those states that do not opt out and follow DST have to do so on the federally mandated transition dates.
Well, actually, they do. If the states were going to stay in standard time, they wouldn’t. Instead, they want to stay in daylight time all year, so they do. But you might say, the states are going to be in standard time, just the standard time of the next time zone to the east. Nope, that won’t work. Note the bit in the law quoted about “the standard time of each zone established by sections 261 to 264 of this title”. The time zone boundaries are also established in that law (although they’ve been occasionally amended to move various small areas to a different zone), so a state can’t just unilaterally move to a different zone. They need another amendment to that law.
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I had to add Julian date codes to a bunch of molds, machining pockets for three 0-9 digit inserts. Every day the code was advanced by 1.
I guess corporate got sick of the 12/4/19 and 4/12/19 mixups when selling to Europe.
Drives me crazy too, on the expiration dates for imported foods. The best solution I’ve seen is to use a three-letter abbreviation for the month; even from foreign languages they’re usually pretty easy to figure out.
dd/mm/yy or (the down-right barbaric) mm/dd/yy?
yyyy/mm/dd solves all problems, is instantly recognizable regardless language and collates perfectly to boot. yy/mm/dd is good too but not completely idiot proof.
The format of the date has nothing to do with Gregorian/Julian calendars.
You guys are getting the Julian Calendar confused with the Julian Day (and further, getting that confused with the Ordinal Date). These are not the same thing, although their similar names lead to frequent confusion. The Julian Day is a count of the days since some time in prehistory, but people mistakenly use the term for the count of days of the current year, although that should be called the Ordinal Date.
Yesterday I took a package of some kind of food from the shelf, and showed my wife that the label said “Best Before APR1921”. I told her to throw it out.
(The box really did say that. And I really did tell my wife. And she knew that I knew that it meant April 19, 2021.)
Thank you. I was not following the discussion.
The way we used Julian date was January 1st was 001, the second 002 etc.
I am not sure what convention they were following.
That is what should be called the Ordinal Date. It’s incorrectly called the Julian Date by many people, including the people where you worked. But it’s so widely done that it’s probably not possible to change what people call it.
Here’s a potted history that hopefully will explain things:
Way back in 46 BC, Julius Caesar reformed the Roman calendar. That calendar would eventually become known as the Julian Calendar, but is unrelated to the Ordinal Date or the Julian Date. However, it wouldn’t be called the Julian Calendar until much later.
In 1582, Pope Gregory did a minor reform of the existing calendar, removing 3 leap days every 400 years. Also adjusted the calendar by skipping 10 days to bring the time of Easter back to what it was in the 4th century when the Council of Nicea set the method to compute the date of that holyday. That calendar would eventually become known as the Gregorian Calendar, although not immediately. At first the two were called New Style and Old Style dates.
In 1583 (one year later) a guy named Joseph Scaliger came up with what he called the Julian Day. It was named after his father, who unfortunately was named Julius. Anyway, the Julian Day just counts days from noon on Jan 1, 4713 BC. It doesn’t have years or months. (Current Julian Day is 2,459,193.) Note that the Julian Day starts at noon. That’s because it was meant to used for astronomical observations, so there wouldn’t be a day number change in the middle of an observing session.
Based on that, people also call counting days of the year with no months Julian Days. And that causes confusion with the Julian Calendar.
The Bible claims that Day One was October 23, 4004 BC, and the Jewish calendar has Day One at October 7, 3761 BC (why the differences?). How does January 1, 4713 BC (the start of the Julian Day count) fit on there - or is it totally unrelated?
The Bible doesn’t say anything at all about the date of creation.
Various people have made calculations based on their own understanding of biblical stories and what they regard as significant planetary configurations.
Both were calculated by going through the many dates and events that are mentioned in the Bible, and doing calculations to connect all the dots. But a few points are ambiguous and open to interpretation, and that’s how different conclusions are reached.
Totally unrelated. Nothing to do with Judaism or the Bible. The Julian cycle of 7980 years is simply 15×19×28 (combination of certain solar, lunar, and indiction cycles), and 4713 BC is a suitability prehistoric origin point when these cycles last coincided.
Shame the box didn’t say “Best Before APR0121”. Would’ve been the perfect set-up. 
9:05 - Indianapolis
9:32 Marquette, MI
9:44 Williston, ND
9:19 Boise, ID
What about school children walking to school in the dark? Do you advance school hours during the winter? What else do you adjust in the winter? If you don’t want to reset the clocks twice a year, why not year-round standard time where the sun is highest around noon.