# Grenfell Tower fire (London) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 14, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926 "2017-06-14T05:45:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/161 "2017-06-16T14:43:08Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > So if it turns out, as accused, that part of the cause of the fire was saving just £5,000 on the cladding, it won’t just be because the council are corrupt but because they’re broke. Is that an actual figure? I don’t know how many panels were used but [we do know what the cost difference was: > [@](#): > > The newspaper said Friday that Omnis Exteriors manufactured the aluminum composite material used in the cladding. It quoted director John Cowley as saying that Omnis had supplied Reynobond PE cladding. > > This type of cladding is 2 pounds cheaper ($2.56) per square meter than the alternative Reynobond FR, which stands for “fire resistant”. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU\_BRITAIN\_LONDON\_FIRE\_THE\_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-16-09-24-28](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_LONDON_FIRE_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-16-09-24-28)) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/162 "2017-06-16T14:52:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m still getting angrier by the day. The way Tories relentlessly ‘cut red tape’ in their self-interest as landlords … I just can’t bear it. That would be the Tories who mandated gas inspections in 1994? That would be the Tories who in 1987 and Jan 1997 mandated electrical safety inspections? That would be the Tories who enhanced the fire and safety regulations for furniture in 1987, 1988, and 1997? Be careful before you apportion blame. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/163 "2017-06-16T15:05:13Z")
Do you have any cites that are from \*this \*century’s Tories? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/164 "2017-06-16T15:07:05Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > That would be the Tories who mandated gas inspections in 1994? > > That would be the Tories who in 1987 and Jan 1997 mandated electrical safety inspections? > > That would be the Tories who enhanced the fire and safety regulations for furniture in 1987, 1988, and 1997? > > Be careful before you apportion blame. …cherry-picking a few random things that happened over 20 years ago isn’t going to waive away the last few years of austerity. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/165 "2017-06-16T15:18:01Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > That would be the Tories who mandated gas inspections in 1994? > > That would be the Tories who in 1987 and Jan 1997 mandated electrical safety inspections? > > That would be the Tories who enhanced the fire and safety regulations for furniture in 1987, 1988, and 1997? > > Be careful before you apportion blame. Nope, it would be the Tories of this millennium. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/166 "2017-06-16T15:36:27Z")
Kicked off earlier than planned at K & C town hall, thankfully it’s locked up. It’s going to be a very long, very angry weekend. Who the hell can you direct this amount of anger towards … ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/167 "2017-06-16T15:49:20Z")
Well, they’re inside. I hope they properly occupy it. Lily Allen in the house 😃 ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/168 "2017-06-16T16:25:42Z")
30 minutes ago: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WCKeZcmo5Iw/maxresdefault.jpg "Protesters storm Kensington and Chelsea town hall chanting ‘we want justice’ – video") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCKeZcmo5Iw) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/169 "2017-06-16T16:53:51Z")
I do hope that they can keep their passion in check and that there isn’t any violence to either people or property. Such would be counter-productive and delay the very redress they seek. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/170 "2017-06-16T17:35:41Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …cherry-picking a few random things that happened over 20 years ago isn’t going to waive away the last few years of austerity. I wasn’t cherrypicking. I was working from a list of legal requirements. There’s one such [here](http://www.informedlandlords.com/legal-requirements-for-landlords/). ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/171 "2017-06-16T19:22:54Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I do hope that they can keep their passion in check and that there isn’t any violence to either people or property. Such would be counter-productive and delay the very redress they seek. It’s not passion, it’s anger fast becoming rage. At this rate, very soon it won’t matter what’s productive and what isn’t. So many voices now across all channels: > ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/172 "2017-06-16T20:15:48Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It’s not passion, it’s anger fast becoming rage. Unfortunately, the SWP seem all over this. Seems there’s no cause they won’t hijack, the twats. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/173 "2017-06-16T20:27:34Z")
Oh \*\* Quartz! \*\* I am so disappointed in you, personally I like you as a person, but you are so disingenuous here. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Quartz > > That would be the Tories who mandated gas inspections in 1994? > > That would be the Tories who in 1987 and Jan 1997 mandated electrical safety inspections? > > That would be the Tories who enhanced the fire and safety regulations for furniture in 1987, 1988, and 1997? > > Be careful before you apportion blame. Whilst I will await the enquiry, you of all people know and understand how European directives operate - you know that all these safety measures were contained in EU directives that every EU government had to incorporate into local legislation, and you of all people understand that this is at the very root of the Brexit vote ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/174 "2017-06-16T20:44:53Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > Oh \*\* Quartz! \*\* > > I am so disappointed in you, personally I like you as a person, but you are so disingenuous here. Enlighten me. While I am aware of the UK legislation, I am ignorant of the relevant EU directives - at least ones that far back. My agents have never referenced EU legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/175 "2017-06-16T22:24:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I wasn’t cherrypicking. I was working from a list of legal requirements. There’s one such [here](http://www.informedlandlords.com/legal-requirements-for-landlords/). …you selectively only chose legal requirements that the Tories introduced over 20 years ago, and ignored any legal requirements that the Tories may have weakened, or removed? Thats [cherrypicking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/176 "2017-06-17T00:14:08Z")
Is there a listing of towers in London with suspected claddings such as this? I’m thinking of going back to London in the next year or so, and towers much like these are on my short list of things to take pictures of, so if I could work my vacation around any sudden becondomenting of said towers it would be great along with of sure making sure they were up to code. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/177 "2017-06-17T03:45:01Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Somebody pointed out to me that the council only putting 44 families in hotels may be because they’re all that’s left. I really hope they’re wrong. Does anyone know how many units were in the building? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/178 "2017-06-17T03:47:04Z")
[120 flats](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-floorplan-shows-120-flats-packed-highrise/). ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/179 "2017-06-17T03:50:26Z")
Thanks. I’m hoping that many of the survivors had other people they could stay with, and not have to live in a hotel for who knows how long. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926/180 "2017-06-17T04:14:38Z")
Just got an email from my mother, who lives in Australia but grew up in England. Her sister, aged in her late 60s, who is largely estranged from the family and has had mental health problems, was apparently living in the tower recently, possibly with her adult daughter, and we haven’t been able to find out if they were still living there last week. The last address that my mum had for her was a flat in Grenfell Tower, and that was in January or February of this year. Mum called some friends in England, and they gave her the number for a phone line that’s been set up for relatives of the residents. She now has a file number, and is listed as next of kin, but hasn’t heard anything back yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grenfell-tower-fire-london/788926.md?page=10)