# Grimm Season 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 13, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400 "2012-08-13T18:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/61 "2012-09-08T17:37:56Z")
Yes, there was a new episode this past Monday. The show will start airing its new episodes first on Fridays starting September 28. There will be no new episodes between now and then. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/62 "2012-09-11T00:21:38Z")
Thanks - I watched it on Hulu. The beaver guy could probably just have said “Grimm is slang for cop”. Brian ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/63 "2012-09-11T01:31:14Z")
The new title sequence is cringeworthy - it’d put me off if I were just considering watching it now. The voiceover reminds me a bit of Buffy, but it doesn’t work as well without Anthony Head. The Mother is great - she’s so obviously an evil witch from the way she looks and most of the ways she acts, but she’s Nick’s Mum and a Grimm. She reminds me of Chuck’s Mom in, er, Chuck, except more cartoon-style bad. Monroe and Renard are still the big draws in this show to me, as well as Rosalie because she’s a little bit dreamy. Does anyone else think she looks like she could be related to Renard? > [@Snooooopy](#): > > I am really hoping that the potion dropped into Juliette’s eyes will magically make her worth caring about. I mean, it’s not as though I loathe her. She doesn’t ruin the show for me. It’s just that, when it comes time for the show to bump off a major character to illustrate how serious the situation is, she’d be a great pick. Yeah. I don’t really like her and can’t pinpoint why. Having her forget Nick was too predictable; having her as a GF who knows what he is and is still thinking about planning the perfect wedding, with Wessen as guests, would be much more interesting. Hey, maybe next season. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/64 "2012-09-11T15:51:38Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > The new title sequence is cringeworthy - it’d put me off if I were just considering watching it now. The voiceover reminds me a bit of Buffy, but it doesn’t work as well without Anthony Head. They seem to have dropped it already – at least they didn’t use it in the last new episode. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/65 "2012-09-11T19:50:16Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > They seem to have dropped it already – at least they didn’t use it in the last new episode. Oh good! Not that I’ll get to see it too soon. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/66 "2012-09-11T21:06:55Z")
I like Juliette–I hope they don’t kill her or have her leave Nick. ---
**Author:** ![akrako1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@akrako1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akrako1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/67 "2012-09-11T22:21:36Z")
here! here! about the crappy title screen narration being nicked… one thing that’s been bugging me the last few episodes is the totally unbelievable Police procedural issues… The episode before this weeks… Nick and Hank are under fire, and outnumbered by a bunch of kidnappers, but THEY DON’T CALL FOR BACKUP? As soon as they started getting skeeved out they should have called for backup… ok, how about ONCE THEY FOUND THE KIDNAPPEE HANGING IN THE WELL? Nope. Lets just kinda hide in this barn and hope they don’t come and kill us. As detectives, shouldn’t they be carrying Police radios at all times? “officers under fire” should have it’s own code that just takes a second to call in… The bad guys weren’t even showing their monster colors or anything that would dissuade Nick from calling it in (I can understand when he goes off by himself, after hours with an axe maybe - that he doesn’t want to call for backup, that makes sense). But in that episode, they were on totally official Police business, and almost got killed… So what gives? And then in this weeks episode, every time they touched (without gloves of course) the obviously sick, pustule-laden dude I had to yell at them. Really? Even though it looks like he’s oozing stuff outta open soars? No training for biological attacks or outbreaks in Portland I guess. At least this week they called for backup (or swat or something), by sending Sgt. Wu (back to the car?) to call it in. But then they went in just the two of them… Wait, you felt uncomfortable enough with the three of you, that you send one away to call for backup, then go in just the two of you? Otherwise very happy with the show. These moments just make me cringe. Must be lazy writing… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/68 "2012-09-11T23:28:21Z")
> [@Helena](#): > > Since Renard is half-Wesen, maybe his human half gives him more control. Or maybe it actually takes some effort for him to change. It was hard to tell from what we saw. What? I thought mom-Hexenbiest just said Renard was a bastard, not that he was half-human. Is a human/wessen mix even possible in the TV show’s mythology? ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/69 "2012-09-12T15:24:18Z")
> [@akrako1](#): > > one thing that’s been bugging me the last few episodes is the totally unbelievable Police procedural issues (snip) Agree with all of that. They just run around doing what they want and there seems to be no oversight except for the 20 minutes the FBI was on Nick. And Nick was AWOL so much before Hank found out what was going on. I understand he and Hank trust each other but there has to be a limit. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/70 "2012-09-12T15:39:54Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > What? I thought mom-Hexenbiest just said Renard was a bastard, not that he was half-human. Is a human/wessen mix even possible in the TV show’s mythology? Didn’t Hexen-Mom mention that his being part human should set him up for a “hell of a roller-coaster ride” with the purification potion? Or something to that effect? ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Barking\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Dog)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/71 "2012-09-12T16:14:53Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Didn’t Hexen-Mom mention that his being part human should set him up for a “hell of a roller-coaster ride” with the purification potion? Or something to that effect? I believe it was something to the affect that because he was a giant asshole the potion would do something very painful. I gathered that a nicer person would have had a less dramatic reaction. I got the impression that him being a bastard comes from being half royal and half wesen. And nobody ever said that the royal people are actually people. They might be wesen, they might be something else entirely besides wesen or even human. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/72 "2012-09-12T23:08:53Z")
> [@Helena](#): > > Since Renard is half-Wesen, maybe his human half gives him more control. Or maybe it actually takes some effort for him to change. It was hard to tell from what we saw. > [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > What? I thought mom-Hexenbiest just said Renard was a bastard, not that he was half-human. Is a human/wessen mix even possible in the TV show’s mythology? > [@Barking\_Dog](#): > > I believe it was something to the affect that because he was a giant asshole the potion would do something very painful. I gathered that a nicer person would have had a less dramatic reaction. > > I got the impression that him being a bastard comes from being half royal and half wesen. And nobody ever said that the royal people are actually people. They might be wesen, they might be something else entirely besides wesen or even human. What mom-biest (whose name is Catherine, by the way) actually said was, “Since you’re barely human, you’re in for quite a ride, sweetie.” Sasha Roiz (the actor who portrays Renard) is on record as to the true nature of Renard as we know it so far; he’s quoted in an [EW interview](http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/08/20/grimm-sasha-roiz-interview-renard/):So when season 2 began, and they told me, “By the way, you’re half hexenbiest,” that’s amazing, first of all, because they even had me fooled, and secondly, what a great story. What a great intrigue to this character, who I think is revealed is a bastard. And you can tell that there’s a different element to his morph. He’s not entirely a hexenbiest. There’s something going on in the bloodline. And so it was very interesting because it instantly informed me of so much in this character, what motivates him, what drives him.I’ve spoilered it just in case; Roiz apparently does give away one small detail about the character that has not been explicitly revealed in the show. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/73 "2012-09-12T23:24:55Z")
At the risk of possibly pointing out something, I would note that the Fox wesen re noted as being particularly important and formed at least a chunk of the royal families, and that the character is a French native named _Renard_. Renard is the classic trickster fox in France lore, similar to numerous tales of always deceptive, sometimes dangerous, but usually helpful foxes throughout the world. Sure, his character has a darker tone, but he fills a semi-sorta-classical trickster role in the context of this story. It’s simply that here, we’re seeing the hard side of his job - trying to balance competing powers for the human(s) he intends to help. He’s not an idealistic figure by any means, but he does in effect act as Nick’s guide to the world. He protects the humans under his protection even significant personal cost, while without their realizing it also acts educate them about the world. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/74 "2012-09-13T00:14:07Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > At the risk of possibly pointing out something, I would note that the Fox wesen re noted as being particularly important and formed at least a chunk of the royal families, and that the character is a French native named _Renard_. Yes, but aside from the name, the only indication we’ve been given is that he’s half hexenbiest and part human, and it seems to me his “morph” when he took the potion would have been more involved had fuchsbau been involved as well. So it seems the name is just a red herring, unless his ancestry is much more convoluted (which is possible, of course). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/75 "2012-09-13T16:01:20Z")
_nm_ ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/76 "2012-09-15T01:32:12Z")
> [@Just\_Ed](#): > > Yes, but aside from the name, the only indication we’ve been given is that he’s half hexenbiest and part human, and it seems to me his “morph” when he took the potion would have been more involved had fuchsbau been involved as well. So it seems the name is just a red herring, unless his ancestry is much more convoluted (which is possible, of course). Maybe. it’s an awfully weird thing to use as a red herring, though, and that didn’t seem like much of a “morph”. Aside from which, we’ve seen no hybrids of any kind thus far, so it’s early to say just _what_ the hell he is. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/77 "2012-09-19T12:12:18Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > What? I thought mom-Hexenbiest just said Renard was a bastard, not that he was half-human. Is a human/wessen mix even possible in the TV show’s mythology? It’s apparently now official that Renard is half Hexenbiest (not sure if the royal family types are actually humans or some as-yet-undefined being). My husband is wondering about one facet of Juliette’s memory loss: was Adalind able to target specific memories to be wiped out when she gave Juliette that whatever-it-was-on-the-cat’s-claws or was that chance? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/78 "2012-09-19T13:16:48Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > My husband is wondering about one facet of Juliette’s memory loss: was Adalind able to target specific memories to be wiped out when she gave Juliette that whatever-it-was-on-the-cat’s-claws or was that chance? If targeted, I think it’s generically targeted (if that makes sense) – like a reverse love potion of “you won’t recognize your one true love,” rather than “you won’t recognize Nick.” ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/79 "2012-09-19T13:21:25Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > If targeted, I think it’s generically targeted (if that makes sense) – like a reverse love potion of “you won’t recognize your one true love,” rather than “you won’t recognize Nick.” Makes sense, and Adalind’s about that nasty. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-2/631400/80 "2012-09-28T23:06:17Z")
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