# Grimm, Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325 "2014-10-24T05:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/261 "2015-05-16T04:55:36Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Is Viktor king now? Him or Renard. I think Renard is in line to inherit. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/262 "2015-05-16T12:43:55Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Well, I can’t say I’m surprised about what happened with Juliette. I know a lot of viewers disliked her character even before she went dark. I always liked her and I’ll miss her on the show. Nice girl Juliette may have had the personality of a pound of flour, but I loathed Evil Juliette. Someone does not turn that bad so fast IRL. Yeah, I’ll concede this is Hollyweird, but still… She did have her redemption, in a way. The flashes of conscience a few episodes back, and allowing Nick the opportunity to strangle her without resistance showed she was tired of it all IMAO. > [@](#): > > I didn’t really care for the twist in the helicopter–way too convenient. > > I’m still pissed they killed Nick’s mom off-screen. It may have been too convenient, but a bit of a happy ending, no matter how contrived, was necessary at that point. Same goes for the post-mortem framing of what’s his name, the enforcer. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/263 "2015-05-16T13:02:29Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > I think it’d make more sense to ask if she bribed a writer to actually make her character interesting. Going from being a whiny, boring damsel in distress to evil ass-kicking machine seems like a pretty fantastic promotion to me. Haha or that. Some interesting twists. The helicoptor was surprising. Was the kid controlling the guy? So Trubel is working with the FBI agent. Going to arrest Adalind? They were at Bud’s house right? I was a bit disappointed noone called Adalind out on the fact she knew what the royals were up to with Juliette and didn’t say anything. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/264 "2015-05-16T13:47:40Z")
So is Juliette really dead? (Man, lots of losses for Nick in the last few eps of the season.) Not too bummed if so – never cared for that character. Are they setting things up for some relationship with Adelind since she’s having his baby? (Regardless of who the mother is at the genetic level, Juliette or Adelind, a hexenbiest/Grimm combo is going to be pretty weird.) I was kind of okay with them fast-forwarding Diana in age, they really need a toddler rather than an infant in that role, for plotting reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/265 "2015-05-16T15:03:34Z")
Haven’t seen it yet, will watch later today. I know, I’m getting weird in my old age, but I’m just finding it easier not to watch anything on TV on the first showing and then catch it the next day at my leisure. Anyway, the sudden Baby to Toddler thing is as old as TV. Babies are difficult to work with, both in behavior/care needed and work rules. And they really don’t add anything to the on-screen, whereas a speaking and mobile toddler can add value. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/266 "2015-05-16T15:26:21Z")
One last observation: As despicable as Adalind is, Claire Coffee the actress displayed some wonderful comic talent last night. I think I’d add her to my list of actors I’d like to have a brew with. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/267 "2015-05-16T18:24:21Z")
Yeah, I like Adalind despite myself. She’s done some truly evil things. But she is a fun character and the actress does play her well. It does seem like they’ve purposefully “softened” her character to make her more likable–perhaps to bring her fully into Team Grimm in the future? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/268 "2015-05-16T19:51:45Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Him or Renard. I think Renard is in line to inherit. He’s a bastard so it’d be Victor unless there’s other, so far un-named claimants. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/269 "2015-05-16T19:56:24Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He’s a bastard so it’d be Victor unless there’s other, so far un-named claimants. That wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/270 "2015-05-16T21:26:39Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I thought Juliette got in the helicopter, but obviously not (I will re-watch at some point) > \ > Brian I watched again - it is ambiguous whether Juliette gets in the helicopter - we don’t get a good look at folks entering it. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Bumbazine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbazine/32/362_2.png) [@Bumbazine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbazine)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/271 "2015-05-16T21:28:30Z")
Unless I’m very much mistaken, helicopter guy was the resistance guy we saw in Europe last season, so now the resistance has the child. If I’m misremembering, please correct. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/272 "2015-05-16T21:41:55Z")
It was, they even showed a flashback of it… ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/273 "2015-05-16T22:26:55Z")
Yeah, they pretty much slapped us in the face and said, “HEY! REMEMBER THIS GUY!?” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/274 "2015-05-16T23:29:00Z")
> [@Bumbazine](#): > > Unless I’m very much mistaken, helicopter guy was the resistance guy we saw in Europe last season, so now the resistance has the child. > > If I’m misremembering, please correct. [Meisner](http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Martin_Meisner) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/275 "2015-05-17T04:18:32Z")
Wait a minute. How do they explain this very public arrest of Kenneth, him being taken away by Wu, then just showing up dead in some random location with a scalpel in his hand? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/276 "2015-05-17T13:26:03Z")
Well, so much for my theory. And why would Trubel be working with that FBI chick? I thought there was major bad blood there. Glad Juliette is gone. That was becoming so tedious. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/277 "2015-05-18T02:02:19Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Wait a minute. How do they explain this very public arrest of Kenneth, him being taken away by Wu, then just showing up dead in some random location with a scalpel in his hand? Yes, there are a lot of plot points that bring up more questions. There’s a headless body in Nick’s neighborhood - well, two actually - and half his neighbors are dead, likely torn up. Heck, there’s bodies everywhere. But as for Kenneth, just get Wu in on it and he says the guy got the jump on him, drove him to the secluded place to get rid of him and then Wu managed to get the better of him. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/278 "2015-05-18T22:01:20Z")
Aging up the kid, didn’t that kid spend something like a year plus in the womb? Either hexenbeists have funny aging or the show’s just not running in the same time as we are. Either is a perfectly acceptable explanation. This isn’t 24. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/279 "2015-05-19T01:00:02Z")
so - I have a fear that we haven;t seen the last of Juliette - a) Truble “sorry nick” - didn’t quite seem to be sorry for killing her - especially given that Nick specifically said to “kill her”. Nick’s inability to kill her had little to do with his desire to see her dead. b) The FBI agent had already talked to Truble and was in on the overall plan, so the agents “get her” was not likely to be about getting truble. anyway - overall - I liked it - I would have preffered that Nick and Juliette had really went at it, with Nick in full Grim mode, and then Nick let her go after clearly defeating her, then the rest as it happened. Even Nick’s fight with Kenneth seemed short and not nearly brutal enough given the fight between Kenneth and Renard the week prior. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/280 "2015-05-19T01:08:33Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Even Nick’s fight with Kenneth seemed short and not nearly brutal enough given the fight between Kenneth and Renard the week prior. Well, it does tell us who would win between Nick and Sean. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325.md?page=15)