# Grimm, Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325 "2014-10-24T05:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/281 "2015-05-19T01:15:07Z")
I kind of got that feeling, too, that Juliette isn’t all the way dead yet. Based on the event with her controlling Nick’s gun, I thought it was kind of a given that he ultimately wouldn’t beat her without somehow getting the drop on her - unlikely at this point without a second Grimm. Interesting take on the fight with Kenneth. I figured Kenneth would get a big surprise when he figured out fighting a Grimm was substantially more difficult than Renard - and he did. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/282 "2015-05-19T01:33:24Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Well, it does tell us who would win between Nick and Sean. There is that. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/283 "2015-05-19T13:11:49Z")
I’m thinking they had the hollow crossbow bolts, maybe Trubel put something in them. Well, they stupidly handed the entire potion to Juliette, so I don’t know that it can be that, but perhaps something else to disable her, then the FBI people take her on the season opener. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325.md?page=14)