# Grimm, Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325 "2014-10-24T05:29:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/81 "2014-12-14T00:09:35Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Because the baby is her granddaughter. Would you want your half-hexenbiest granddaughter raised by a grimm? Not half. Either quarter or three quarters. Daddy’s half and mommy’s full, so it should be 3/4, but it was when the mother was dehexenbeisted(?) that she was conceived, so could be 1/4. > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > One thing I find weird is that Hexenbiests seem to be the only _asymmetrical_ wesen. All the others, at least as far as I remember, look somewhat ‘normal’ in the sense that if they have furry ears on one side, they have them on the other. Tentacles arranged in patterns, etc. Most clearly have a look of animal/human hybrids. > > Hexenbiests look like humans that have suffered horribly damaging accidents with their twisted, irregular scarring. > > Does that mean anything? Or is it simply that they were the first wesen the show creators thought up, and they hadn’t decided on a pattern yet? They look like long dead corpses that haven’t rotted evenly. They don’t really seem to be like the rest of the vessen in many ways, not just in terms of symmetry. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/82 "2014-12-14T00:27:40Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > One thing I find weird is that Hexenbiests seem to be the only _asymmetrical_ wesen. All the others, at least as far as I remember, look somewhat ‘normal’ in the sense that if they have furry ears on one side, they have them on the other. Tentacles arranged in patterns, etc. Most clearly have a look of animal/human hybrids. > > Hexenbiests look like humans that have suffered horribly damaging accidents with their twisted, irregular scarring. > > Does that mean anything? Or is it simply that they were the first wesen the show creators thought up, and they hadn’t decided on a pattern yet? > [@TBG](#): > > They look like long dead corpses that haven’t rotted evenly. > > They don’t really seem to be like the rest of the vessen in many ways, not just in terms of symmetry. Something that just occurred to me about a week ago or so. Wessen are usually human/animal hybrids. But Hexenbiests aren’t. I wonder if any other Wessen that aren’t part animal will be introduced. ---
**Author:** ![Helena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@Helena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/83 "2014-12-14T01:12:28Z")
We’ve seen quite e few non-animal Wesen (trolls, ogres, bigfoot…). ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/84 "2014-12-14T02:06:54Z")
> [@Helena](#): > > We’ve seen quite e few non-animal Wesen (trolls, ogres, bigfoot…). Good point. OK, I’ll put it like this. Wesen are people who can transform into an animal or some recognizable mythical creature. Hexenbiests (and the male verison Zauberbiest) seem to be people who woge into rotting corpses. That’s the best description for their wessen form. I wonder if there are other wessen who woge into creatures that aren’t animal or myth. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/85 "2014-12-14T11:58:08Z")
In terms of mythological basis, aren’t hexenbiest the equivalent of hags? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/86 "2014-12-14T12:29:25Z")
A hag is an old woman. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/87 "2014-12-15T18:18:47Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > A hag is an old woman. I think they were just going for a scarier version of _wicked witch_; I doubt the mere fact that they resemble corpses has any great meaning. A thin, sickly, elderly person has a kind of corpse-ish quality already, right? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/88 "2014-12-15T19:47:17Z")
Yeah, they use witch as a description of a hexenbiest (and warlock for the male Zauberbiest). They can cast spells and look scary. According to the Grimm Wiki [a hexenbiest resembles a zombie.](http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Hexenbiest) That sounds about right. Edit: Damn, reading my post I realized I’m totally geeking out over this show. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/89 "2014-12-15T19:56:08Z")
In mythology, a hag is more than just an old woman. And, according to [wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hag), the German word for hag is “hexe”. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/90 "2014-12-15T21:10:08Z")
I had no idea. And it does make perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/91 "2014-12-16T01:59:15Z")
Is his name really “Drew Wu?” ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/92 "2014-12-16T02:38:39Z")
[Yes, according to the Grimm Wiki](http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Drew_Wu) ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/93 "2014-12-16T03:25:04Z")
Geez, poor Wu. I thought they really were going to tell him this episode, but he’s gone over the edge again. Makes me re-think them telling him at this point, maybe he really wouldn’t have been able to handle it at all, anyway, even if Griffin had been able to catch him and start explaining. I think he might have started seeing monsters everywhere and just freaking out all the time. I’m interested to see where his story goes from here. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/94 "2014-12-16T03:31:52Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > Is his name really “Drew Wu?” Apparently. Though it’s possible Drew could just be his “western” name and he has a real name that’s something more ethnic. Or maybe it’s just short for Andrew. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/95 "2015-01-18T02:36:25Z")
New episode last night–anyone watch yet? I thought it was good. Wu is finally brought onto Team Grimm! He’s handling it well. I liked the scene in the interrogation room when that Wesenrein dude realized that Nick got his Grimm back. But there was something weird going on with Nick’s face–it was kind of going pale and… deathly, for just a moment or two while he was threatening the guy. Juliette’s got some bad voodoo going on. That one scene with her and Rosalee! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/96 "2015-01-18T04:01:07Z")
Woo hoo, Wu. Finally. I noticed Nick turning blueish too. Didn’t he do that before? I can’t remember what it was. Supercharged unpredictable edgy Nick I’m guessing. Dark Nick. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/97 "2015-01-18T04:27:16Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Juliette’s got some bad voodoo going on. That one scene with her and Rosalee! :eek: I liked the chickfight, even with Julliette holding Rosalie’s trachea in victory. Dead \ giveaway that it was a dream sequence. Gives me hope for my fantasy of Julliette offing Adalind. I also liked Wu asking Renard if he was Wesen. “You don’t want to go there.” ---
**Author:** ![Bumbazine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbazine/32/362_2.png) [@Bumbazine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbazine)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/98 "2015-01-18T04:56:02Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > _snip_ But there was something weird going on with Nick’s face–it was kind of going pale and… deathly, for just a moment or two while he was threatening the guy. _snip_ Nick had this zombie thing going on for a couple of episodes after that voodoo priest, Baron Samedi, zombified him. Then we didn’t see anything about it for a while and thought it was a dead end. But now it’s in play again. Should make things more interesting. Nick is becoming a kind of supergrimm. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/99 "2015-01-24T03:08:49Z")
Going to Reynard is understandable, since his mother was a Hexenbiest But his mother proves that not all HB are bad And of course she should try drinking his blood (which has been brought up before) So going to Reynard first - I’m OK with. Keeping it a secret - bad idea. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325/100 "2015-01-24T09:31:52Z")
In a lot of shows like this characters keep secrets, even though it blows up in their faces over and over again (I’m looking at you Supernatural). Also, I didn’t feel worried about whether or not Monroe would get rescued in time, seeing how incredibly long the trial dragged on. Other than those two things. Not a bad episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm-season-4/702325.md?page=6)