# Grimm **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194 "2011-10-29T16:03:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Barking\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Barking\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Dog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/81 "2011-11-06T14:01:52Z")
Only if she lost control and let it slip out. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/82 "2011-11-06T14:57:58Z")
Watched both episodes on Hulu. It wasn’t _bad_, I suppose. But it wasn’t great, either, and I agree with many of the criticisms posted above. (One I don’t necessarily agree with: the Aunt not telling Burkhardt about his heritage sooner. People put things off, even really, really important things. And think how crazy she would’ve sounded with a story like that before his abilities began to manifest — not to mention telling a cop about the people she’d killed on account of them being “monsters” — she could’ve ended up institutionalized, or worse. Easier to put it off until it can’t be put off any longer.) I wonder if there are any “good” fairytale creatures? Not reformed ones like the wolf (or the father in the current episode), but ones whose instincts/abilities don’t involve eating people. > [@Batsinma\_Belfry](#): > > Why did Mom Bear turn into an actual bear? I assumed that would be the natural progression of the change, were it continued beyond an initial stage. What amused me, perhaps, is this. Let’s assume that the mother’s bear anatomy roughly corresponded to her human anatomy, on a larger scale. After she fell into the spike pit, when she turned (contracted!) from bear back into human, wouldn’t the spikes have ripped her apart? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/83 "2011-11-06T15:15:06Z")
That’s a good question on the spike pit, though it works out okay if she got exactly one spike. But meanwhile, I’ve been thinking about this episode more: why did they even dig the spike pit, and what’s with the scene where they throw the dummy into it and one of the brothers says (IIRC) “go ahead and do it” or something like that? What’s the point of any of that, since presumably the hunt is supposed to end in a manual killing? As best I can tell, we have scene intended to create some fake drama (thinking it’s a person, not a dummy) and a pit pre-dug to conveniently end the mom’s attack without Grimm having to kill her personally. That’s either shit-nonsense writing, or I missed something. Also, the next episode presumably begins with a further review of the hospital video cameras (helpfully introduced in the pilot) and someone asking Grimm, “say, who’s the dude you brought to your aunt’s room, and who then follows the two guys who were attacked and maimed in the basement?” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/84 "2011-11-06T15:44:10Z")
I’m just thinking it was real convenient for Goldilacks and her boyfriend to have been robbing the place ‘just when’ the boys needed stuff to hunt - talk about convenient timing! ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/85 "2011-11-06T17:39:02Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > […]why did they even dig the spike pit, and what’s with the scene where they throw the dummy into it and one of the brothers says (IIRC) “go ahead and do it” or something like that? What’s the point of any of that, since presumably the hunt is supposed to end in a manual killing? […] > > Also, the next episode presumably begins with a further review of the hospital video cameras (helpfully introduced in the pilot) and someone asking Grimm, “say, who’s the dude you brought to your aunt’s room, and who then follows the two guys who were attacked and maimed in the basement?” I agree with all of that. There’s just _no way_ wolf guy _tears someone’s arm off_, in a busy hospital, caught on video being in the right place at the right time, without repercussions for the protagonists. And why is it so hard to kill the aunt? I realize she’s more or less a 60-year-old Buffy … but she’s still a 60-year-old bedridden cancer sufferer, and presumably police guy has access to all sorts of crazy powerful magical beings. (Why didn’t the blond lady wait until Grimm had left before trying to poison his aunt? Surely police boss guy could’ve rigged up some reason to call him away.) ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/86 "2011-11-06T19:08:32Z")
Very cute, giving the family the surname of Rabe (and giving the son the first name of Barry, no less). The lead detective wouldn’t even need to have Grimm powers if he developed a knack for anagrams and puns. He’d instantly know what Rory Mobzie and Merlin Larwock were up to. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/87 "2011-11-06T22:28:08Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > Very cute, giving the family the surname of Rabe (and giving the son the first name of Barry, no less). The lead detective wouldn’t even need to have Grimm powers if he developed a knack for anagrams and puns. He’d instantly know what Rory Mobzie and Merlin Larwock were up to. I totally missed the surname! Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Time\_Stranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Time\_Stranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Time_Stranger)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/88 "2011-11-07T18:12:43Z")
I want to like this show, but that last Bear episode was total dullsville. I’m giving it one more week before I give up on it. The BigGoodWolf character is great, but he can’t carry the whole show. I really wish the lead would show _any_ sort of emotion; Even when he’s sad he just looks bored and slightly confused. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/89 "2011-11-07T18:17:29Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > Very cute, giving the family the surname of Rabe (and giving the son the first name of Barry, no less). The lead detective wouldn’t even need to have Grimm powers if he developed a knack for anagrams and puns. He’d instantly know what Rory Mobzie and Merlin Larwock were up to. I don’t get it? Was anyone else annoyed that the three teenagers were reminiscent of the wolfboys in the Twilight movies - shirtless, tattooed with animal spirits - whatever… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/90 "2011-11-07T18:36:13Z")
I’m totally surprised more people aren’t enjoying it as I am. Usually I’m near the top of the “I call bullshit” list and my TV tastes align well in this form. _Community_ has been bugging me a lot in that regard, yet I don’t see any backlash there. Sure, it’s got its gaps but I never find them overwhelming, nor do I remember them when I come in here to post. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/91 "2011-11-08T04:39:22Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > I don’t get it? > > Was anyone else annoyed that the three teenagers were reminiscent of the wolfboys in the Twilight movies - shirtless, tattooed with animal spirits - whatever… :rolleyes: Well, the bear kid’s first name is Barry (“bear-y”), and the family’s surname is an anagram of the word “bear.” So I couldn’t help but wonder if other creatures they come across – like, say, zombies or warlocks – will have self-referential names as well. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/92 "2011-11-08T15:19:54Z")
Interesting. I had no idea until I looked it up on Wikipedia that the brothers Grimm had 210 fairy tales published. Assuming even half of them are worth transporting to this series, that’s 5 years worth of story fodder. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/93 "2011-11-08T15:33:02Z")
And being such an old book it can be obtained for free with no copyright restrictions: [Grimms' Fairy Tales by Jacob Grimm and Wilhelm Grimm - Free Ebook](http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2591) I also downloaded it on my iPod for free using the Stanza app. ---
**Author:** ![Shniru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Shniru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shniru)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/94 "2011-11-09T02:28:14Z")
Only one gripe. It is Jäger_bär_ not Jägerbar. The last one makes no sense. “Bar”? Really?! Ugh! And Jägerbar_s_? Is it so hard to have someone look up bear in a german dictionary? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/95 "2011-11-09T18:28:08Z")
> [@Shniru](#): > > Only one gripe. It is Jäger_bär_ not Jägerbar. The last one makes no sense. > “Bar”? Really?! Ugh! And Jägerbar_s_? Is it so hard to have someone look up bear in a german dictionary? Not to mention too I thought the entire time they were saying Jagerbomb. I think instead of betting on that the girlfriend is a creature we should phrase it this way: Between the girlfriend and his partner he is going to confide in one of them to be his helper, and the other one will be a creature…so which is which? All in all I am not too impressed with the show. I think the acting is apalling and I think that the writing isn’t up to the premise’s potential…but I don’t have anything else to do on a Friday night (coughlosercough) so I might as well play ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/96 "2011-11-09T18:44:28Z")
Actually I think most of the acting is pretty passable with the unfortunate exception of the main character. ---
**Author:** ![Shniru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Shniru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shniru)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/97 "2011-11-10T00:00:10Z")
Meh, I think the asian cop is pretty bad, although he was better this week. I forgot to add: I thought the mother bear died on the spikes. I think it would have been a better ending that way. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/98 "2011-11-11T21:15:55Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > Nope: like I said above, “She knew that he’d get the family abilities at the time of her death. She’d been seriously ill – and known it – for months before she finally came to talk to him, so I’m in the ‘WTF’ camp on this one.” Hopefully they will develop the idea later, but I don’t think Slayer Aunt could know with certainty that Nephew would get the family curse. GoodBlutBad said “did somebody in your family die recently?” when he and Nephew were talking. Not “Did your closest family member die?” nor “Did your dad die?”, so I think there’s some ambiguity in inheritance. Much as when the slayer powers occasionally follow families (as with Kendra) but not always. Did anyone else think that Nephew’s physical prowess was greater when Slayer Aunt was in a coma? She was incredibly strong for a older woman suffering from cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/99 "2011-11-12T14:46:04Z")
It looks like not all fairy tale critters are entirely evil, which we already knew. Apparently the mellifers (bee people) were trying to warn and protect the Grimm. Looks like the season/series arc may be heating up. The Captain is clearly involved up to his eyebrows, possibly the leader of…what? An organization of Evil Fairy Tale Creatures? Kill the Grimms[sub]TM[/sub]? I still think the series gets its atmospherics right (I _want_ that house that belonged to the paper company owner - damn, that is gorgeous! Looks like something a robber baron had built in the late 19th century. Yesterday’s vulgar mess is today’s gorgeous mansion.), and I like the juxtaposition of fear and humor. I was becoming really scared as what looked like a possible terrorist on the busreached for his bag and suddenly hauled out a boombox to flash-mob to YMCA. 😃 [QUOTE=The Devil’s Grandmother] Did anyone else think that Nephew’s physical prowess was greater when Slayer Aunt was in a coma? She was incredibly strong for a older woman suffering from cancer. [/QUOTE] I think that the Slayer Aunt’s strength was supposed to be superhuman, not just for an ill older woman. I’m guessing that’s comething that comes with time in the job. Probably control of the ability to sense the presence of the fairy tale creatures improves with time and experience as well. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194/100 "2011-11-12T22:24:19Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > Looks like the season/series arc may be heating up. The Captain is clearly involved up to his eyebrows, possibly the leader of…what? I’m wondering about this as well. And also - is the Captain also some kind of creature? And if he is, why hasn’t Grimm seen his true nature yet? Why haven’t they tried to kill Grimm? They were obviously trying to kill Aunt Marie; seems to me a police captain could easily put one of his officers in a dangerous situation . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grimm/601194.md?page=6)