# Groundbreaking New 9/11 Film "September Clues" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 17, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324 "2007-06-17T03:04:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/121 "2007-06-21T17:44:54Z")
If it was a fake, they should have done it in the middle of the night- less people would have “seen” it. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/122 "2007-06-21T22:39:23Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] If it was a fake, they should have done it in the middle of the night- less people would have “seen” it. [/QUOTE] It was. If you look closely at my Groundbreaking New Film you will clearly see the gigantic floodlights that were set up all around NYC to give the appearance of daylight. I also calculate that the accumulated effect of the so-called Daylight Savings Time since inception was actually a necessary hoax on the world’s clocks intended to lead up to exactly that moment, so that while everybody _thinks_ that the “planes” struck early in the morning it actually all took place at 11:58pm. The recent shift in DST enacted by Congress was required to roll the clocks back into Correct Time (which we shall abbreviate as CT). Thank goodness that eagle-eyed patriots such as myself were able to spot the discrepancies and we are now disclosing them to the world. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/123 "2007-06-22T10:43:28Z")
Once more, to clear things up: You don’t need to know what really happened in order to demonstrate that something is a lie. All you need to do is demonstrate that a given story is logically or physically inconsistent. For example, you could demonstrate that the story has one person in two or more places at the same time, or that the story requires the sun to have risen in the west. Once you have done that, your job is done: Anyone who demands you tell them what really happened is attempting to live in a movie and failing. On the flip side, people who claim the consensus story is wrong _because_ they really know what happened are very likely to be attempting the same bogus cinematic existence. Science starts with questions, not answers. > [@](#): > > The recent shift in DST enacted by Congress was required to roll the clocks back into Correct Time (which we shall abbreviate as CT). The long-term impact of the recent DST change is that the days will lengthen and the sun will slow down (due to an increased amount of daylight being saved and unable to power its continued motion) until, in a few months, it halts right above the location of the WTC, obscuring vital information that would otherwise implicate the Bushes and proving, once and for all, that God is a co-conspirator who not only knew about the plot but communicated to key players who directly put it into action. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/124 "2007-06-22T12:53:08Z")
[QUOTE=Derleth] Science starts with questions, not answers. [/QUOTE] And the question to ask here is, _Why would anybody come up with such a ridiculously complicated plot in the first place?_ What kind of rational purpose could it possibly have served? There’s a scene in the first Austin Powers movie that sums it all up for me. Dr. Evil, recently awakened from his cryogenic sleep, is speaking to his henchmen about a spectacularly evil scheme for which he plans to get ten million dollars, only to be informed by his henchmen that his organization has gone legit and is now making billions and billions of dollars legally, far more than he could expect to get from any sinister plot. I think of that scene every time I come across someone talking about 911 conspiracies. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/125 "2007-06-22T14:30:39Z")
[QUOTE=Valgard] It was. If you look closely at my Groundbreaking New Film you will clearly see the gigantic floodlights that were set up all around NYC to give the appearance of daylight. I also calculate that the accumulated effect of the so-called Daylight Savings Time since inception was actually a necessary hoax on the world’s clocks intended to lead up to exactly that moment, so that while everybody _thinks_ that the “planes” struck early in the morning it actually all took place at 11:58pm. The recent shift in DST enacted by Congress was required to roll the clocks back into Correct Time (which we shall abbreviate as CT). Thank goodness that eagle-eyed patriots such as myself were able to spot the discrepancies and we are now disclosing them to the world. [/QUOTE] If, in 3 months, some new WTC conspiracy loon comes promulgating this theory, I am going to have to digitally hunt you down **Valgard** , and say some mean things about throwing fuel on the _stupid_ fire…very mean things. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/126 "2007-06-22T15:47:41Z")
Lemme see if I got this new conspiracy theory straight: WTC7 collapsed because of all the groundbreaking by crews filming the collapses of WTC1 & 2? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/127 "2007-06-22T21:02:19Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] If he really were the genius mastermind (not enough :dubious: in the world for THAT :)) then why has he fucked up so much afterward? No one could, on one hand pull off the mother of all covert OP’s while on the other hand fucking up so consistantly afterward… [/QUOTE] While I think the conspiracy theories are so much dog food… That only works if you assume that Bush planned the whole thing AND that his goal was to pacify the Middle East. If he’s willing to sacrifice three thousand ordinary civilians, he’s willing to sacrifice at least that many combat troops to get what he wants done. If what he wanted wasn’t a quick easily-won war but instead a long and expensive conflict that just seems to get worse and worse and must continue to be fought, can never really be won, one that he could use to make money for his corporate cronies and incidentally stir up the hornet’s nest that is the Middle East, encouraging all those brown people to blow each other up and kill each other, destabilizing the region to the point that nations would Balkanize or collapse in civil war, leaving the place a war zone until every first-world country and UN signatory sent troops to sweep up the pieces and incidentally control a long-contested portion of land with strategic importance (not to mention the resources we all know about)… _sigh_ I watch too many conspiracy suspense thrillers. Suffice it to say that no, I don’t seriously believe any of the above. I’m just saying that assuming incompetence on the part of our national intelligence and our president actually _helps me sleep better at night_. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/128 "2012-05-19T21:56:48Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/622482/121): > > Nah. You can’t post a single image with markings from 911 because it was jackass fakery. Nonsense, all of it with the exception of the orb. You are just confused. You think it’s an orb because you don’t understand how video works. I can post ten videos of the plane hitting. Of course the first videos would be of poor quality. They were live, from helicopters. They were digitally enlarged so you can see what was happening. Just because you are inept and understanding how video works, and you have a terrible ability to recognize patterns and process visual information, it doesn’t mean you are right about some nebulous conspiracy. 911 was a conspiracy. Some radical Muslims decided to take the US down a peg. They came here, lived in secret and attacked in a coordinated manner. It was a conspiracy, it just wasn’t the absurd, utterly stupid conspiracy that you think it was. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/129 "2012-05-20T02:09:25Z")
What happened to most of the thread? Did it get hit by an orb or something? Is there a second one heading for the Penn State thread? ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/130 "2012-05-20T02:11:56Z")
Whoa! It’s a conspiracy, man! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/131 "2012-05-20T02:12:18Z")
All the recent posts have been in response to a single troll returning as a sock puppet. We are not leaving it open as a monument to his stupidity and malice. The last few posts will probably join the others as soon as I am pretty sure that everyone has seen this post. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/132 "2012-05-20T02:15:31Z")
> [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](#): > > What happened to most of the thread? > > Did it get hit by an orb or something? Is there a second one heading for the Penn State thread? Funny you say that, the post from a moderator, that was there just before it and other were removed reported that an orb got the truther. 🙂 > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/622482/219): > > Only Coincidence Theorists believe it was an orb. > Non-sheeple know that a cube got him, Tom. Well, I have one of those 8-ball fortune telling devices, this knockoff is called an “orb” ([not kidding](http://www.officeplayground.com/Mystical-Orb-P290.aspx)) I just asked my orb what were the chances of our latest rude truther surviving the day, it replied: “Chances aren’t good”! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/133 "2012-05-20T02:17:18Z")
I’m sorry the thread got deleted - it had some truly top-notch wackiness. It really should be restored and locked, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/134 "2012-05-20T02:21:30Z")
News Flash: A second orb has struck the Penn State thread. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/135 "2012-05-20T02:27:52Z")
> [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](#): > > News Flash: A second orb has struck the Penn State thread. Darn, Mr. Scaramanga got my hopes up, but that thread that needs killing is still active. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/136 "2012-05-20T02:28:37Z")
I wish orbs would strike down the interest in Martin/Zimmerman… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/137 "2012-05-20T02:35:14Z")
Seriously, how was it not obvious this was a troll? Nobody is that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/138 "2012-05-20T04:01:09Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Seriously, how was it not obvious this was a troll? > Nobody is that stupid. Oh, I love your optimism. It’s so refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/139 "2012-05-20T04:18:37Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Oh, I love your optimism. It’s so refreshing. Same here ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324/140 "2012-05-20T13:13:38Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > All the recent posts have been in response to a single troll returning as a sock puppet. We are not leaving it open as a monument to his stupidity and malice. The last few posts will probably join the others as soon as I am pretty sure that everyone has seen this post. That’s too bad. **FinnAgain** posted an interesting link to a BBC anti-truther video which drew some non-tinfoil-hat-related discussion from myself and others. Oh well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/groundbreaking-new-9-11-film-september-clues/408324.md?page=8)