# Grow up, leander. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451 "2008-11-19T15:00:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/121 "2008-11-23T02:00:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Nonsense. You’re just showing complete lack of understanding of what a GQ moderator’s job is. It’s not against the rules to post incorrect information, nor is it our responsibility as moderators to verify information or to check whether answers are correct. That’s the task of other posters who may have knowledge of the subject. Our job is to keep the discussion on track. Just a quick follow up – at the top of GQ there is a sticky called “General Questions Rules”. Rule #6 reads: > [@](#): > > 1. \*\*Guesses, WAGs, and speculation. \*\*We permit some educated guessing. Truly wild guesses aren’t especially helpful. We have some experts who post here. \*\*If you don’t have much information, give an expert a chance to answer by waiting until a question is about to fall off the first page before making a guess. \*\*If you post a factual claim, be prepared to back it up with a citation. If someone asks for a citation, don’t take it personally, we’re trying to get to the facts here, and that’s how it’s done. (bolding mine) Your job as a mod is to enforce the rules. That you don’t know that (or don’t know what the rules are) is disturbing. You really need to either learn to do your job properly or resign. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/122 "2008-11-23T02:20:55Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Ok, after a bit of searching I have found five instances in the _past month alone_ in which Google boy has been wrong. You can judge for yourselves: Let’s go! > [@leander](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10411121#post10411121](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10411121#post10411121) Um, that answer is entirely correct. Sorry, Sparky, try again. Perhaps you missed post #9 in that thread or, more likely, it was too technical for you to grasp. > [@leander](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10403266&postcount=13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10403266&postcount=13) Very weak. I used a term in a nonstandard (but popularly understood) manner; unless you have a more substantive refutation of my posts in that thread, I don’t see how you can honestly count that. > [@leander](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10393378&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10393378&postcount=6) A comparatively minor reversal of detail. Although admittedly a factual error, it does not detract from the major point of my post, which was that the described symptoms are consistent with a broken dip tube. Ironically, if I _had_ used Google to check myself instead of posting from memory, I wouldn’t have made that mistake. > [@leander](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10391629#post10391629](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10391629#post10391629) That thread is in MPSIMS, not GQ. Also, I dispute your claim that it’s an incorrect statement. > [@leander](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10362353#post10362353](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10362353#post10362353) I’ll give you that one, except to note that it was summarily retracted. Note, too, that neither this nor any of the others appears to support your other assertion that I use the first Google hit to answer with and, in fact, this last one uses a Google result to correct myself. > [@leander](#): > > And of course, as pointed out earlier, there was the “Como talle vu” matter, which for some odd reason really seems to set him off. Say what? What makes you say that? Please link to where mention of that incident “sets me off.” Y’know, since you’re so set on factual accuracy, and all. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/123 "2008-11-23T02:29:11Z")
> [@leander](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1. Guesses, WAGs, and speculation. **We permit some educated guessing.** Truly wild guesses aren’t especially helpful. We have some experts who post here. If you don’t have much information, give an expert a chance to answer by waiting until a question is about to fall off the first page before making a guess. If you post a factual claim, be prepared to back it up with a citation. If someone asks for a citation, don’t take it personally, we’re trying to get to the facts here, and that’s how it’s done. > > Your job as a mod is to enforce the rules. That you don’t know that (or don’t know what the rules are) is disturbing. You really need to either learn to do your job properly or resign. You conveniently bolded the wrong part. I’ve fixed that for you. Also, I’ve contacted the moderator who compiled those rules, **GFactor** and asked him to post here regarding your claims. Since the word of one GQ mod apparently isn’t sufficient for you. Bolding altered ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/124 "2008-11-23T03:00:24Z")
You had me untill this part: > [@Q.E.D](#): > > Also, I’ve contacted the moderator who compiled those rules, **GFactor** and asked him to post here regarding your claims. Since the word of one GQ mod apparently isn’t sufficient for you. > > Bolding altered Dude, there is such a thing as overkill. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/125 "2008-11-23T03:15:18Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Actually, I think he should be ashamed. When Manny was running the place it was much different. Now it’s full of crap and misinformation (see Google boy for more on this). And all he says is, “It’s not my job”. Well, why aren’t you doing your bit? Honestly, if you are not interested in doing your part in GQ, why bitch about it? While I am not a fan of Q.E.D., I am neither a fan of GQ, and I don’t give a shit what he does there. As you are also someone who does not habitually post in GQ, I don’t see why you should give a shit either. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/126 "2008-11-23T03:21:26Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Dude, there is such a thing as overkill. Perhaps, but if smacking someone fails to make him see reason, it never hurts to use something bigger and it’s not as though I’ve requested any other GQ mods to post here. Besides, if **leander** wants to lawyer the rules, who better to explain them to him than the lawyer who wrote them? In any case, **G** is perfectly free to respond or not as he chooses. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/127 "2008-11-23T03:43:55Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > You had me untill this part: > > Dude, there is such a thing as overkill. Sometimes you just have to nuke it from orbit, cause it’s the only way to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/128 "2008-11-23T03:49:58Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Your posts suggest otherwise. Nah. I admit I have no great affection for dweebs like you who play third-grade games in GQ, but it hardly rises to the level of “touching a nerve,” as much as you would like to think so. > [@](#): > > I have neither the time nor the patience to follow Google boy around correcting his mistakes. What’s pretty obvious is that what you actually lack is the knowledge to tell whether he’s wrong or right yourself. > [@](#): > > But hopefully calling him out on it will dissuade him a bit – not likely, but possible. You didn’t “call him out,” which would have meant starting a Pit thread. You didn’t have the guts for that, so instead you decided to engage in petty harrassment. > [@leander](#): > > Actually, I think he should be ashamed. When Manny was running the place it was much different. Now it’s full of crap and misinformation (see Google boy for more on this). And all he says is, “It’s not my job”. More nonsense. **Handy** alone must have made at least 10,000 erroneous posts in GQ without **manhattan** taking action on them. It’s never been a GQ moderator’s job to evaluate whether posts are correct or not. You’re right that GQ standards have become a bit more forgiving in some ways. **Manhattan** likely would have summarily banned you for pulling the crap you did in GQ. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/129 "2008-11-23T03:52:54Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Sometimes you just have to nuke it from orbit, cause it’s the only way to be sure. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/130 "2008-11-23T03:53:27Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > You conveniently bolded the wrong part. What he said. That rule gives the moderation staff expansive discretion in managing this sort of thing. We did that on purpose because we wanted that kind of flexibility, and we’ve never routinely fact-checked posts. And of course, nothing in the rule justifies any of your bullshit from the other night. And let me come out of the closet for you. I Google. Sometimes many times a night. Many of my best answers, even in my own areas of expertise, are written under the influence of Google. I even Google at work. I’m really fucking good at it. My father uses Google and so does my daughter. That’s right–I’m a Googler. [QUOTE=leander] Your job as a mod is to enforce the rules. That you don’t know that (or don’t know what the rules are) is disturbing. You really need to either learn to do your job properly or resign. [/QUOTE] Oh, and shut the fuck up. You’ve got no idea what my job is or what instructions I’ve been given. Nor do I report to you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/131 "2008-11-23T04:10:36Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Just a quick follow up – at the top of GQ there is a sticky called “General Questions Rules”. > > Rule #6 reads: > > (bolding mine) > > Your job as a mod is to enforce the rules. That you don’t know that (or don’t know what the rules are) is disturbing. You really need to either learn to do your job properly or resign. You really are pushing for moron of the month, aren’t you? As has been explained already, the most relevant part is what **Q.E.D.** bolded, not what you did. In the examples you linked to, his replies were at worst educated guesses, not speculation. But of course, you’re unable to tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/132 "2008-11-23T04:15:31Z")
Oh good, Google boy has summoned more mods to circle the wagon. I don’t think we’ve ever seen this before! 🙂 > [@Colibri](#): > > Nah. I admit I have no great affection for dweebs like you who play third-grade games in GQ, but it hardly rises to the level of “touching a nerve,” as much as you would like to think so. I believe you. I really do. > [@](#): > > What’s pretty obvious is that what you actually lack is the knowledge to tell whether he’s wrong or right yourself. Well, according to you guys I don’t need knowledge – just mad Google skillz! > [@](#): > > You’re right that GQ standards have become a bit more forgiving in some ways. Slight understatement. It’s become a joke. I know you boys hate hearing any criticism, but you need to hear it. See also **What Exit?**'s post. > [@Gfactor](#): > > What he said. That rule gives the moderation staff expansive discretion in managing this sort of thing. We did that on purpose because we wanted that kind of flexibility, and we’ve never routinely fact-checked posts. And of course, nothing in the rule justifies any of your bullshit from the other night. > > And let me come out of the closet for you. I Google. Sometimes many times a night. Many of my best answers, even in my own areas of expertise, are written under the influence of Google. I even Google at work. I’m really fucking good at it. My father uses Google and so does my daughter. That’s right–I’m a Googler. > > Oh, and shut the fuck up. You’ve got no idea what my job is or what instructions I’ve been given. Nor do I report to you. Well, since this is the pit I guess I won’t “shut the fuck up”. Instead I’ll tell you that you should clean up that mess. Also, you both seem to have missed this: > [@leander](#): > > Yes, I agree it was some “childish bullshit”. Frankly, it was stupid of me to engage the little fella. I regret that. Finally, I’ve given 5 examples of Google boy being wrong. The first may be correct, but was so incomplete that it required 2 other posters to clarify in detail and provide a “real” answer. Smacks of “I was here first” BS that Google boy is so proud of. The other 4 are pretty indisputable – and that was only 30 mins of searching **over the past month!** So how many do I have to come up with to prove my point? 10? 50? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/133 "2008-11-23T04:15:44Z")
> [@leander](#): > > should also note that Google boy has been warned and disciplined for “junior modding”. > [@leander](#): > > Your job as a mod is to enforce the rules. That you don’t know that (or don’t know what the rules are) is disturbing. You really need to either learn to do your job properly or resign. That loud explosion you just heard was my irony meter overloading. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/134 "2008-11-23T04:16:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You really are pushing for moron of the month, aren’t you? > > As has been explained already, the most relevant part is what **Q.E.D.** bolded, not what you did. In the examples you linked to, his replies were at worst educated guesses, not speculation. > > But of course, you’re unable to tell the difference. Come on, admit it – you have a man-crush on me, don’t you? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/135 "2008-11-23T04:18:07Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > That loud explosion you just heard was my irony meter overloading. Lord are you dumb. That’s not jr modding, Google boy, that’s called criticising the mods. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/136 "2008-11-23T04:21:05Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, why aren’t you doing your bit? Honestly, if you are not interested in doing your part in GQ, why bitch about it? > > While I am not a fan of Q.E.D., I am neither a fan of GQ, and I don’t give a shit what he does there. > > As you are also someone who does not habitually post in GQ, I don’t see why you should give a shit either. Frank, you are probably dead on here. I shouldn’t give a shit what they do – they’re not going to change and they’re unable to take criticism. I guess if they’re satisfied with what a shithole GQ is then that’s their business. Personally I think it’s a shame, but from the 2 mods reactions it’s pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/137 "2008-11-23T04:23:26Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Oh good, Google boy has summoned more mods to circle the wagon. I don’t think we’ve ever seen this before! **Q.E.D.** is not, in fact, a mod, nor has he ever been a mod. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/138 "2008-11-23T04:26:18Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Q.E.D.** is not, in fact, a mod, nor has he ever been a mod. No, but he plays one on the imaginary tv in his Google head. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/139 "2008-11-23T04:29:21Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I guess if they’re satisfied with what a shithole GQ is then that’s their business. You seem to think it’s your business. Why not are you then contributing? Seriously, I don’t get it. I bitch about GD, because I post in GD, and contribute in my own way to GD, and wish to see GD remain something I want to continue to be a part of. You bitch about GQ, why? You don’t post there, you don’t contribute there. What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451/140 "2008-11-23T04:30:18Z")
> [@leander](#): > > That’s not jr modding, Google boy, that’s called criticising the mods. No. There’s a distinction between criticizing the mods and telling them what their job is and how they should interpret the rules. The latter has been recently defined as junior modding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grow-up-leander/473451.md?page=8)