# Grrrl Power movies - Movies where a woman defeats multiple men in combat **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 22, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209 "2009-12-22T16:59:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/101 "2009-12-26T22:54:32Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, as I understand it she was subjected to brain surgery/brainwashing. If she’s using some sort of induced hysterical strength she could beat a large man to a pulp, or throw him around easily ( or one with each arm, for that matter ); 115 pounds or not. Although in that case the unrealistic part is that she does so without damaging or crippling herself; the reason we don’t normally use that level of strength is that things tend to break and tear under the stress. It’s certainly possible for a 115-pound woman to bring down a grown man with a punch or a kick if they know what they’re doing. Hell, my daughter weighs 48 pounds and if she kicks you in the nards the right way (or the wrong way, from my perspective) you won’t be up for further combat. The problem is that the way the scenes are filmed, it doesn’t even look like the mooks are getting hit hard. If it was choreographed in such a way that Summar Glau actually put her weight and strength into a punch or kick into a man’s nuts or his solar plexus or the bridge of his nose, I could believe he was hurt. But in scenes it’s often a flick of the wrist of some obviously powerless, all-arms, half-assed “hit” and down goes Mr. Weightlifter. It just looks sloppy and stupid. Well, that’s one problem; the other is that it’s becoming absurdly cliche and nothing new is being added to the “ass kicking chick” genre. Heck, it’s almost the only thing Joss Whedon knows to write about - if he ever gets his wish of doing a Wonder Woman movie I will bet $500 that Wonder Woman will mostly forego her other abilities for a lot of kung fu. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/102 "2009-12-26T22:59:45Z")
**RickJay** , you mean [She-Fu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheFu), not kung-fu. I’m pretty sure it’s a rule that TVTropes is mentioned at least once per page in this thread, so I’m just upholding my duty. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/103 "2009-12-26T23:22:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > But in scenes it’s often a flick of the wrist of some obviously powerless, all-arms, half-assed “hit” and down goes Mr. Weightlifter. It just looks sloppy and stupid. See also the Buffy TV series, where the NON-superpowered characters dispatch vampires by whacking them in the chest with a stake hard enough…to leave a small bruise. Maybe. Driving a pointed piece of wood through a human breastbone is _hard_. Hence the stereotypical mallet to aid in the endeavor. It makes a vampires a heck of a lot less fearsome when they have an achilles chest that causes them to instantly disintegrate with what looks like a solid punch from a normal person. I don’t mind when Buffy does it because she has well-established supernatural strength - we’ve seen her punch a hole through a metal locker with her fist. But teensy little Willow? C’mon. And again, I’m a _fan_ of Whedon. But some of his ideas just cross the line into more-overt-than-usual for fantasy/sf tv show ridiculousness. Like horses outpacing RV’s and hovercrafts ( hovercrafts! ). Or hyena videos showing what are _clearly_ Cape Hunting Dogs, NOT hyenas. Or cobramen with solenoglyphous fangs, when everyone knows that elapid snakes like cobras have proteroglyphous fangs. Or…umm…well… Alright, so I’m a geek, sue me :p. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/104 "2009-12-27T00:00:47Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > **RickJay** , you mean [She-Fu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheFu), not kung-fu. > > I’m pretty sure it’s a rule that TVTropes is mentioned at least once per page in this thread, so I’m just upholding my duty. Above and beyond, I’d say. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/105 "2009-12-27T03:15:21Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > **RickJay** , you mean [She-Fu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SheFu), not kung-fu. Amusingly, she’s mentioned on that page as specifically NOT indulging in “She Fu”; rather, she uses [Waif Fu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu). Note that she is literally used as the illustration for the latter. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Similarly, River Tam of Whedon’s more recent Firefly, despite displaying considerable Waif Fu in the movie sequel, also avoided such extraneous movements even when she was kicking the butts of burly men. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/106 "2009-12-27T03:17:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Amusingly, she’s mentioned on that page as specifically NOT indulging in “She Fu”; rather, she uses [Waif Fu](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu). Note that she is literally used as the illustration for the latter. 🙂 Haha, yeah. I linked to it _then_ read it. I was just so eager to uphold my duty to cite TVTropes at least once per every few posts. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/107 "2009-12-27T03:20:21Z")
I just watched _ **The Legend of Billie Jean** _. Available on Netflix streaming. Two words: Awe. Some. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209/108 "2010-01-02T05:55:44Z")
Well, add the new [Sherlock Holmes](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0988045/) to the list, although our grrrl in this movie does only out-fight a couple of men at a time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grrrl-power-movies-movies-where-a-woman-defeats-multiple-men-in-combat/522209.md?page=5)