# Grumpy Old St. Nicholas

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [December 24, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grumpy-old-st-nicholas/337036 "2005-12-24T01:42:03Z")\
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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grumpy-old-st-nicholas/337036/1 "2005-12-24T01:42:03Z")

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…Lean your ear this way, there’s some bad theology going 'round today!"

Gene Edward Veith explores what the **real** St. Nicholas would consider important about Christmas: [http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=11388](http://www.worldmag.com/displayarticle.cfm?id=11388)

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> The point is, the original Santa Claus was someone who flew off the handle when he heard someone minimizing Christ. Perhaps we can battle our culture’s increasingly Christ-less Christmas by enlisting Santa in his original cause.

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> Department store Santas should ask the children on their laps if they have been good, what they want for Christmas, and whether they understand the Two Natures of Christ.

:smack:

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grumpy-old-st-nicholas/337036/2 "2005-12-24T05:09:28Z")

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Well, he’s probably right. St. Nicholas would, I’d imagine, be upset by modern Christianity and modern society.

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**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grumpy-old-st-nicholas/337036/3 "2005-12-24T18:01:10Z")

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Poly, how is it that you read the WORLD magazine site, anyway? That’s more my style of right-wing C’nity (I’ve subbed to WORLD for years because the late Rev. David Chilton was a columnist).

I do hope you realize that Veith was being amuzingly facetious, and still made a darn good point. I’ve maintained for a few years that JWs dislike C’mas since Santa punched their main Church father. While none of us the severity of St Nick’s blow to Arius, I totally think a symbolic love-tap to heretics & PC-extremists is quite fitting- and also to the outrage-merchants who make us right-wing C’tians look like complete jerks (Bill Donohue, Pat Robertson, Bill O’Reilly & Jerry Falwell, please call your offices…)

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**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\
**Post date:** [December 24, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grumpy-old-st-nicholas/337036/4 "2005-12-24T18:14:14Z")

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And just to be authentic he should speak to the kids only in 3rd century Byzantine Greek and burn any books that mention a differing opinion of the divine nature (sorry Anne Rice, but that Christmas release _Out of Egypt_ has gotta burn now).