# Guacamole, Ketchup, Jelly, Am I missing any? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 1, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719 "2007-09-01T11:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/1 "2007-09-01T11:53:23Z")
I don’t know how to state the question. My other question (Origin of PB and J ) reminded me of this question I wanted to ask. What fruits and Vegetables ( And I guess we can trow in beans peas legumes and nuts) have some exclusive – or dominant claim of ownership – to some “sauce” or semi solid dip or dressing? For example Tomatoes make Ketchup. Avacados make Guacamole. Grapes enjoy a dominant claim to Jelly. What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/2 "2007-09-01T11:55:55Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] What fruits and Vegetables ( And I guess we can trow in beans peas legumes and nuts) have some exclusive – or dominant claim of ownership – to some “sauce” or semi solid dip or dressing? What am I missing? [/QUOTE] Chick peas make hummus Apples make apple butter Is that what you’re going for? ETA: SInce I just posted to your PBJ thread, no I"m not stalking you… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/3 "2007-09-01T12:01:08Z")
Peanuts make peanut butter Soy beans make soy sauce Coffee makes me stay up all night ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/4 "2007-09-01T12:08:33Z")
Eggplant makes [Baba Ghanoush](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_ghanoush) ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/5 "2007-09-01T12:18:18Z")
Ketchup was originally made from pickled fish. Later it was made from mushrooms. Ketchup being made from tomatoes only came along later. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/6 "2007-09-01T12:23:44Z")
Yes, Catsup/Ketchup means many different things around the world; it’s only in America primarily that we consider Catsup/Ketchup to be a pickled-tomato sauce. And jelly is dominated by grapes?? In what alternate universe? Have you never had Straberry Jelly (as opposed to the jam)? Or Mint Jelly (particularly tasty with lamb)? Or any of a dozen other varieties of jelly? Jelly is simply jelled fruit juice, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/7 "2007-09-01T12:25:55Z")
Peppers make hot sauce. Mustard seed makes mustard. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/8 "2007-09-01T12:28:43Z")
[QUOTE=DSYoungEsq] And jelly is dominated by grapes?? In what alternate universe? [/QUOTE] And there are no grapes in [Kentucky Jelly](http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/165/11/1516), either. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/9 "2007-09-01T12:54:04Z")
[QUOTE=Wendell Wagner] Ketchup was originally made from pickled fish. **Later it was made from mushrooms.** Ketchup being made from tomatoes only came along later. [/QUOTE] (Bolding mine) I have wondered from time to time just what did the mushroom ketchup taste like. Is there any commercially available? ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/10 "2007-09-01T13:08:25Z")
Google on “mushroom ketchup” and you’ll find at least one website selling the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/11 "2007-09-01T13:16:51Z")
Rhubarb makes an exquisite (IMHO) jam. Tomatoes make salsa? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/12 "2007-09-01T15:59:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, Catsup/Ketchup means many different things around the world; it’s only in America primarily that we consider Catsup/Ketchup to be a pickled-tomato sauce. In this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=330646), I posted a recipe for banana ketchup. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/13 "2007-09-01T17:01:51Z")
Yummy rotted fish make fish sauce. ---
**Author:** ![Hazle\_Weatherfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Hazle\_Weatherfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazle_Weatherfield)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/14 "2007-09-01T17:11:14Z")
Olives make tapenade. Taro makes poi. Beans make bean dip. Basil plus other yummy stuff makes pesto. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/15 "2007-09-01T17:31:43Z")
I won’t agree with grapes being the one fruit thought of for jelly. I don’t believe most people think of apples when thinking of jelly either. Apples are in almost all jelly, because pectin for commercial use is derived mostly from apples, and next by citrus. Fruit leather is mostly apple pulp with some other fruit juice added. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/16 "2007-09-01T17:34:36Z")
[QUOTE=vetbridge] Rhubarb makes an exquisite (IMHO) jam. Tomatoes make salsa? [/QUOTE] Nah, lots of things can make salsa. Tomatillos, for example. Salsa just means “sauce”, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Antonius\_Block](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Antonius\_Block](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antonius_Block)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/17 "2007-09-01T19:37:10Z")
Although other varieties exist (e.g. lemon, grapefruit, or quince), most [marmalade](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmalade) is made from **oranges**. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/18 "2007-09-01T21:00:37Z")
Toejam is made from toes, methinks. ---
**Author:** ![Paladud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Paladud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paladud)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/19 "2007-09-01T21:28:38Z")
Horseradish - horseradish sauce and fake wasabi. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2007, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/20 "2007-09-01T21:45:24Z")
[QUOTE=DSYoungEsq] had Straberry Jelly (as opposed to the jam)? Or Mint Jelly (particularly tasty with lamb)? Or any of a dozen other varieties of jelly? Jelly is simply jelled fruit juice, after all. [/QUOTE] Although I’m aware of Grape jelly from hearing about it on the internet, it’s pretty much completely unheard of here in the UK (and, I suspect, most of the world, except the USA). Jelly here is predominantly bramble (blackberries) or raspberry - but many others are available. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719.md?page=2)