# Guacamole, Ketchup, Jelly, Am I missing any? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 1, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719 "2007-09-01T11:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/41 "2007-09-02T14:52:37Z")
[QUOTE=pulykamell] I’ve also never heard of anyone asking for peanut butter and jam sandwiches. [/QUOTE] That’s probably where the confusion comes from. The sandwich is always called peanut butter & jelly, whether you’re using jelly or jam. I always use jam, but always call it PB&J. Most people know well the difference, but that’s just what we call the sandwich. ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/42 "2007-09-02T22:36:38Z")
[QUOTE=pulykamell] Jelly is smooth and clear. Jam has bits of fruit and stuff. I’ve always assumed this was common knowledge. I honestly cannot think of a single person who uses the terms interchangeably. [/QUOTE] What about preserves? Marmalade? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/43 "2007-09-02T22:48:32Z")
Moving this to Cafe Society. **Gfactor** , General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/44 "2007-09-03T00:03:28Z")
[QUOTE=vetbridge] What about preserves? Marmalade? 🆒 [/QUOTE] ‘Preserve’ is supposed to be something like jam with a very high content of intact fruits, but the artisans of marketing have taken hold of the term and it’s now often used just as a pretentious description for ordinary jam. Marmalade, as **Jeff Lichtman** notes, used to refer to something made out of quince, but nowadays it generally means stuff made from citrus fruits. I have seen apricot marmalade though (it was just like apricot jam, except that the fruits were sliced into thin shreds). Before anyone else asks, _compote_ is just cooked fruit - sometimes with the consistency of jam or preserve, but intended to be used fresh - not usually with a high enough sugar content to keep for long. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/45 "2007-09-03T06:01:13Z")
I think the question is, what haven’t we ground? Much shorter list. Mankind discovered many secrets of science by processing food. Procesing for manifold digestive, chemical, and reactive properties. Changing substance, observation, and the first alchemy created our delicacies. Art as forbear, the first of science descendent. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/46 "2007-09-03T06:21:55Z")
Beets in Borscht, almonds in almond paste or marzipan? What about cashew butter? ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/47 "2007-09-03T06:35:40Z")
I daresay, our first scientific discovery was heat to meat. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/48 "2007-09-03T07:21:34Z")
Berries, carbon, and ochres made our first paint. Made our first art. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/49 "2007-09-03T08:33:50Z")
Mashed Potatoes. My favorite recombitant. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/50 "2007-09-03T08:54:00Z")
[QUOTE=DSYoungEsq] Catsup/Ketchup means many different things around the world; it’s only in America primarily that we consider Catsup/Ketchup to be a pickled-tomato sauce. [/QUOTE] Not just in America; in much of Europe it means nothing else. Germany is an exception, or at least it was in 1989 when I asked for ketchup and got something brown and curry-tasting. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/51 "2007-09-03T12:13:33Z")
[QUOTE=Wendell Wagner] That’s an interesting theoretical distinction, but I don’t think most people in the U.S. make any distinction between jam and jelly in their usage. [/QUOTE] On preview, well, obviously piling on isn’t needed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/52 "2007-09-03T23:40:41Z")
The [Other Master](http://www.altonbrown.com/) broke it down [here](http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season2/Jam/JamTranscript.htm): > [@Alton Brown](#): > > Jelly is clear, Jam is not. Conserves have nuts, > Preserves have chunks and Marmalades always have peel. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/53 "2007-09-04T06:46:07Z")
What about bug ketchup? What if I were to set up special Mayfly “catch walls” on the Southwestern Basin of Lske Erie and harvest live mayflies after the larvae. Harvest them live off of special, illuminated, white, seawalls. Grind them with salt the same night. Dry the paste like shrimp paste and make mayfly ketchup. What’s wrong with this idea? Is food relative? Would the FDA allow such a thing? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/54 "2007-09-04T14:40:47Z")
lentils in _daal_? ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/55 "2007-09-04T15:03:07Z")
Fromunda cheese is made from nuts. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/56 "2007-09-04T15:25:42Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] Fromunda cheese is made from nuts. [/QUOTE] Ewwwww. Actually, no, I don’t think it is. That’s a bit more dingleberry. Fromunda comes from a slightly different, but nearby region. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/57 "2007-09-04T15:40:22Z")
[QUOTE=devilsknew] What about bug ketchup? What if I were to set up special Mayfly “catch walls” on the Southwestern Basin of Lske Erie and harvest live mayflies after the larvae. Harvest them live off of special, illuminated, white, seawalls. Grind them with salt the same night. Dry the paste like shrimp paste and make mayfly ketchup. What’s wrong with this idea? Is food relative? Would the FDA allow such a thing? [/QUOTE] The trick is in the marketing. ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/58 "2007-09-04T15:47:18Z")
In Alaska I had kelp jelly. It was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/59 "2007-09-04T15:53:50Z")
Petroleum makes petroleum jelly. “She uses Vaaaaseline” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719/60 "2007-09-04T16:40:23Z")
In case etymology counts for something I’ll add this: The word “ketchup/catsup” is from a Malay rendition of a Chinese phrase referring to watery, brownish, somewhat spicy sauce, and wasn’t used for tomato-based sauce until after the Columbian Encounter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guacamole-ketchup-jelly-am-i-missing-any/417719.md?page=4)