# Guantanamo- Prison visits are a sham **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 19, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315 "2006-04-19T16:25:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315/61 "2006-04-21T22:08:30Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …I think your solution is absolutely spot on: it’s fair, logical, answers all of my criticisms and is what most of us Guantanemo detractors really want. There are guilty people at Guantanemo Bay-and they do deserve to have the full force of US law thrown against them. Terrorism is a problem that needs to be struck down, not with a large fishing net, but with surgical precision. You have single-handedly restored my faith in humanity this morning xtisme, it warms my cockles. But now I’m late for work. 🙂 My perspective on this has always been one of fundamental disagreement with the current administration. While I’m no fanatic about it, I like to think of myself as a libertarian (small ‘l’), and I cringe at the disreguard for due process in this whole affair. In addition, being on this board has shifted many of my viewpoints…and if it flatters you, on this particular issue in no small part due to a thread you and I were in a few months ago. I was already leaning towards resolving this, but you really made some excellent points that further shifted me to where I am now. I’ve lately become active (not just on a message board 😛 ) in actually getting my thoughts out to my supposed representatives on the issue. So far all I’ve received for my troubles is form letters in reply…but I have to think that things are shifting on this issue here in the states. > [@DrDeth](#): > > But the problem with the “Chinese Muslims” is that so far, no nation (except Communist China) will accept them, and they DAMN sure don’t want to go there, where (as I said before) they’ll be subjected to horrors that will make GITMO look like Club Med. Sure, if Taiwan will accept them, fine. But Taiwan so far hasn’t said they would, so that’s “pie in the sky, by and by”. No, I was aware of this aspect of the issue from previous threads discussing the Chinese. Since we are in the realm of the theoretical, assume that they are found to have been wrongfully imprisoned. As one of the steps the US could make as just and fair compensation we could apply a level of pressure on, say, Taiwan, to accept these guys. Would this work? It may. I’m not sure. I AM sure that something could be done for them if the US decided to take a more active roll. At the minimum a just and fair resolution of their status should be undertaken…then things can proceed from there. BTW, I know you were talking to BB…sorry to nose in. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315/62 "2006-04-22T09:38:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Still awaiting _your_ answer, BB. What _do_ we do with the “Chinese Muslims”? So far, no nation will accept them- except China. Do we send them to China? Put 'em on a raft and set them adrift? Will you take them in your spare bedroom? That last isn’t a serious question of course. But still, you are all full of how the USA has “done wrong” and so far, you are completely unable to come up with any better answer than what the USA has come up with. “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem”. If you can’t come up with a better solution that the USA has, then clearly, the USA has done the best it can, right? I want a serious & practical answer. …grant them US citizenship and pay them compensation. If the US have no reason to hold them anymore, and no nation will take them, then the US really only has two options, don’t they? Keep them locked up, or set them free. Would you object to the US offering them asylum? Now I’ve answered your question with the patently obvious answer, now its your turn. Can you please explain what biases you percieve I have? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2006, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315/63 "2006-04-22T10:22:40Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > 🙂 > > My perspective on this has always been one of fundamental disagreement with the current administration. While I’m no fanatic about it, I like to think of myself as a libertarian (small ‘l’), and I cringe at the disreguard for due process in this whole affair. > > In addition, being on this board has shifted many of my viewpoints…and if it flatters you, on this particular issue in no small part due to a thread you and I were in a few months ago. I was already leaning towards resolving this, but you really made some excellent points that further shifted me to where I am now. I’ve lately become active (not just on a message board 😛 ) in actually getting my thoughts out to my supposed representatives on the issue. So far all I’ve received for my troubles is form letters in reply…but I have to think that things are shifting on this issue here in the states. > -XT …cool. 🆒 Your post actually puts my conversation with **C K Dexter Haven** in perspective. I lamented that Guantanemo wasn’t an issue with many Americans, and wondered why people weren’t protesting in the streets or writing to their congressmen. Consider myself educated-you guys are taking action and I applaud you for it, we just don’t read about it every day on the internet. As I said before, I do spend a lot of time on my posts, and I have been making the same points about Guantanemo on various message boards for the last four years. Yours is the first time where somebody has said I’ve helped change or cement an opinion, which makes all the effort worthwhile. The ironic thing is that you will probably still be labeled an apologist, while I’ll still wear the label of being anti-American. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315/64 "2006-04-23T19:37:51Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, I agree- mostly. > > But the problem with the “Chinese Muslims” is that so far, no nation (except Communist China) will accept them, and they DAMN sure don’t want to go there, where (as I said before) they’ll be subjected to horrors that will make GITMO look like Club Med. Sure, if Taiwan will accept them, fine. But Taiwan so far hasn’t said they would, so that’s “pie in the sky, by and by”. > > Still awaiting _your_ answer, BB. What _do_ we do with the “Chinese Muslims”? So far, no nation will accept them- except China. Do we send them to China? Put 'em on a raft and set them adrift? Will you take them in your spare bedroom? That last isn’t a serious question of course. But still, you are all full of how the USA has “done wrong” and so far, you are completely unable to come up with any better answer than what the USA has come up with. “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem”. If you can’t come up with a better solution that the USA has, then clearly, the USA has done the best it can, right? I want a serious & practical answer. I have frequently offered this “solution”, and at the risk of redundancy, do so again: Why can’t they live here, in some variant of a witness protection program, if they are so dedicated to freeing their fellow Uigars that they represent a potential spoke in the wheel of us-china rapprochement? Don’t we **owe** them that much? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guantanamo-prison-visits-are-a-sham/353315.md?page=3)