# Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 - seen it. (Open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465 "2017-04-28T23:39:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![KatieCats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@KatieCats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KatieCats)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/121 "2017-05-16T01:28:23Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > We watched the first one last weekend then saw 2 today. The first one was pretty entertaining (though not amazing). This one just didn’t work for me. Mildly entertaining, I guess. > > I remember thinking after the first one that they were going to deal with Peter’s father at some point but that I was hoping they wouldn’t. Then they did a whole movie around it. Bleh. > > The Yondu arc was okay. Baby Groot was almost minion-ized in this one (a cute character that gets overplayed). It was nice to see Kirk from Gilmore Girls again. Every time Sean Gunn was onscreen all I could see was Kirk in outer space! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/122 "2017-05-16T03:56:47Z")
You know what puzzles me, now that I think back on it? Once Peter got his own ship, why didn’t he go back to Earth? And I’m still trying to figure out what Stallone was saying about Yondu at the end. Also what Yondu was trying to tell Peter about the arrow. It must have been important, because he tried twice, but I could never quite make out what he was saying. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/123 "2017-05-16T04:13:37Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I dunno, it wasn’t clear to me. Plus both characters were defined by their lack of social nuance, I wouldn’t take anything they say about it too seriously. I mean I’ll take the directors word for it, but if he meant it to be crystal clear in the movie, I don’t think he succeeded I find it hard to believe that anybody could watch this movie and think that Drax is capable of that kind of disingenuousness. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/124 "2017-05-16T04:24:43Z")
Here’s a plot hole I don’t think anyone has addressed. Ego spent decades looking for Peter. Why didn’t he ever think about going to check out Yondu? He had hired Yondu to abduct Peter for him. Even if for some inexplicable reason he never considered the possibility that Yondu had decided to keep Peter, it was still the most obvious place to begin a search. But Yondu had kept Peter while making no apparent efforts to hide him. Ego’s search should have only taken a couple of days at most. Maybe Ego got advice on searching for lost family members from Darth Vader: _“Whatever you do, don’t waste time going to their last known location and asking if anyone there recognizes their name.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/125 "2017-05-16T05:12:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Here’s a plot hole I don’t think anyone has addressed. \“Hey, kid, this ain’t that kind of movie.”\ Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/126 "2017-05-16T05:27:09Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > You know what puzzles me, now that I think back on it? Once Peter got his own ship, why didn’t he go back to Earth? Addressed in the movie-- he says something to the effect of “why would I want to go back to the place my mom suffered and died?” > [@Morgyn](#): > > And I’m still trying to figure out what Stallone was saying about Yondu at the end. Also what Yondu was trying to tell Peter about the arrow. It must have been important, because he tried twice, but I could never quite make out what he was saying. Not sure what you mean with the first part, but the second I think he was saying “heart.” How he uses his “heart” to control the arrow I have no idea… but that was the lesson to Peter about using his Celestial powers. Don’t over think it, just use you feelings. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/127 "2017-05-16T06:08:37Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I find it hard to believe that anybody could watch this movie and think that Drax is capable of that kind of disingenuousness. More like lack of self awareness than disingenuousness. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/128 "2017-05-16T06:23:36Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Not sure what you mean with the first part, but the second I think he was saying “heart.” How he uses his “heart” to control the arrow I have no idea… but that was the lesson to Peter about using his Celestial powers. Don’t over think it, just use you feelings. I do not control the arrow with my brain; he who controls the arrow with his brain has forgotten the face of his father. I control the arrow with my heart. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/129 "2017-05-16T11:14:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Here’s a plot hole I don’t think anyone has addressed. > > Ego spent decades looking for Peter. Why didn’t he ever think about going to check out Yondu? He had hired Yondu to abduct Peter for him. Even if for some inexplicable reason he never considered the possibility that Yondu had decided to keep Peter, it was still the most obvious place to begin a search. But Yondu had kept Peter while making no apparent efforts to hide him. Ego’s search should have only taken a couple of days at most. Ego’s time among the rest of the creatures in the galaxy seemed to be limited to finding sexy space-creatures and then impregnating them. He’s hugely callous and hugely naive all at once. Yondu got a whole bunch of kids for Ego - why would he lie about this particular one? There’s nothing special about Peter. He’s just one more in a long line of probable failures. Yondu has a human kid on his ship. So what? They probably all look alike to him. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/130 "2017-05-16T12:25:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Addressed in the movie-- he says something to the effect of “why would I want to go back to the place my mom suffered and died?” Ah! Missed that. Semi-obvious answer (to me) is that he has other family there. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Not sure what you mean with the first part, but the second I think he was saying “heart.” How he uses his “heart” to control the arrow I have no idea… but that was the lesson to Peter about using his Celestial powers. Don’t over think it, just use you feelings. Thank you (and **Smapti** , that was awesome). For the first part, it was Yondu’s funeral. Stallone’s second said something about “… understand” and Stallone says “No … understand”. I’m guessing they’re deciding that Yondu hadn’t understood about the children, but I’m not certain. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/131 "2017-05-16T12:30:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Ego’s time among the rest of the creatures in the galaxy seemed to be limited to finding sexy space-creatures and then impregnating them. He’s hugely callous and hugely naive all at once. > > Yondu got a whole bunch of kids for Ego - why would he lie about this particular one? There’s nothing special about Peter. He’s just one more in a long line of probable failures. > > Yondu has a human kid on his ship. So what? They probably all look alike to him. Right - as far as Ego knew, Yondu just quit. He had already delivered many of his kids to Ego, and they were all failures. It wasn’t until Ego heard about the Terran who could hold an Infinity Stone that he realized that it was probably his son, and started looking for him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/132 "2017-05-16T17:33:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Ego’s time among the rest of the creatures in the galaxy seemed to be limited to finding sexy space-creatures and then impregnating them. He’s hugely callous and hugely naive all at once. > > Yondu got a whole bunch of kids for Ego - why would he lie about this particular one? There’s nothing special about Peter. He’s just one more in a long line of probable failures. > > Yondu has a human kid on his ship. So what? They probably all look alike to him. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > Right - as far as Ego knew, Yondu just quit. He had already delivered many of his kids to Ego, and they were all failures. It wasn’t until Ego heard about the Terran who could hold an Infinity Stone that he realized that it was probably his son, and started looking for him. These theories seem like quite a stretch. If Ego had been telling the truth initially - that he was looking for Peter because he wanted to be his father - I could accept the idea that he might have only done a minimal search because finding his missing son wasn’t really all that important to him. If he could hire somebody to deliver the kid to him, he’d do it. But if the kid went missing, no big deal - he’d get around to looking for him some day when he had some spare time. Peter’s new fame as Starlord would have reminded Ego of that, _“Oh, yeah, I had a son who disappeared. I meant to find him. I guess I should go check this guy out.”_ This would have fit in with the theme that Ego was a pretty lousy parent. But we saw that Ego had a hidden agenda. He wasn’t just interested in Peter as his son. He needed Peter as a potential source of power for a project he had been working on for millions of years - a project he defined as the reason for his existence. Granted, all his previous attempts had failed. And he didn’t know prior to hearing about Peter surviving his encounter with the infinity stone that Peter would do any better. But even before that, Peter was his last chance. He certainly didn’t want Peter to get killed committing some random crime before he had a chance to test him. So he really was desperately searching for Peter. So when Yondu didn’t show up with Peter, Ego would have done something. He may have first sent another team to Earth to abduct Peter, but he would have found that Peter had already been taken. So his next step would have been to go check on Yondu. It doesn’t matter if he thought Yondu didn’t have Peter; he still would have wanted to talk to Yondu to find out clues as to where Peter was. And if he had gone to Yondu or even just had somebody check on Yondu, he would have found out that Yondu had a new kid hanging around, who was a human boy the same age as his son - and who happened to also be named Peter Quill. Ego would have to have been incredibly oblivious not to have wondered about that coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/133 "2017-05-16T17:38:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Granted, all his previous attempts had failed. And he didn’t know prior to hearing about Peter surviving his encounter with the infinity stone that Peter would do any better. But even before that, Peter was his last chance. **He certainly didn’t want Peter to get killed committing some random crime before he had a chance to test him**. So he really was desperately searching for Peter. Not a concern. Ego knew Peter was immortal. We also don’t know Ego’s timeline for things…to a being millions of years old… a year? or 34 isn’t that big of deal. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/134 "2017-05-16T17:38:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Granted, all his previous attempts had failed. And he didn’t know prior to hearing about Peter surviving his encounter with the infinity stone that Peter would do any better. But even before that, Peter was his last chance. He certainly didn’t want Peter to get killed committing some random crime before he had a chance to test him. So he really was desperately searching for Peter. I easily could have missed it, but I didn’t catch that Peter was his last chance. I thought he was just another in a series? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/135 "2017-05-16T17:49:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But even before that, Peter was his last chance. He certainly didn’t want Peter to get killed committing some random crime before he had a chance to test him. So he really was desperately searching for Peter. What **jsgoddess** said. I don’t recall any dialogue related to Peter being the last in a line of offspring. For all we know Ego had several hundred more on call and was still plugging away making more. He just didn’t have Yondu on contract anymore retrieving them. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/136 "2017-05-16T18:32:52Z")
Nebula and Gamora found a small _mountain_ of offspring-skulls. And Ego claimed to have planted his goo on _every_ planet. Without hearing about the Infinity Stone incident, Ego would never have been interested in _one_ missing kid. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/137 "2017-05-16T20:16:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I easily could have missed it, but I didn’t catch that Peter was his last chance. I thought he was just another in a series? Peter was the only one in the thousands (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of sentient races he had mated with which produced an offspring with Celestial capabilities (e.g. being able to hold an Infinity Stone). Clearly, word of Quill holding the Stone and saving Xandar had spread throughout the galactic community. Now the question is if Ego is destroyed, is Quill really “just like everyone else” or does he still have special capabilities? He seems preternaturally perceptive (or lucky) and also resistant to the kind of damage that should disable or kill a normal human, and one expects that those capabilities are likely baked into his genetic makeup (although how or why a Celestial would be using anything compatible with DNA is another question), so was Ego just lying to him or is he really now just a ‘normal’ human? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/138 "2017-05-16T20:52:38Z")
Just curious - does anyone else also think the reason Peter was a success is because of the latent genes humans carry from the meddling of the other, OG [Celestials](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_(comics))? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/139 "2017-05-16T21:08:08Z")
Comic reader answer: Yes. Non-comic reader: No. Humans are special because of course we are. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/140 "2017-05-16T21:10:29Z")
Saw this last weekend, right after finally catching up and watching the first movie the night before. Enjoyed volume 2 WAY MORE than the first one, which largely failed to grab me. First film had a couple of good one-liners (honestly below par for a Marvel movie), a bunch of establishing bloat, and some weird inconsistencies that pulled me out of the story. Film 2 made me cry. A few parts were a little bit slow, but no slower than some parts of the first movie. Honestly, movie 2 redeemed this franchise for me, because if it’d been as bland for me as the first one, I’d have been done with these guys. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465.md?page=8)