# Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 - seen it. (Open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465 "2017-04-28T23:39:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/161 "2017-05-24T05:10:52Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You didn’t write this? I wrote that. It doesn’t seem to be understood at all, tho. Perhaps you could point out where I said that credit stingers were neither welcome nor necessary, and where I said I didn’t like them, and where I said I felt obligated to stay for them? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/162 "2017-05-24T05:23:20Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Perhaps you could point out where I said that credit stingers were neither welcome nor necessary, and where I said I didn’t like them, and where I said I felt obligated to stay for them? Maybe where you said exactly that. Why don’t you go down to the quarry and throw yourself down there? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/163 "2017-05-24T07:49:23Z")
I am super confused. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/164 "2017-05-24T11:04:28Z")
I think Bo is trying to say that he only meant the “setting up the next film” part was the unwelcome and unnecessary bit. He’s just doing it in a… _checks forum_ He’s doing it in a very roundabout way. Perhaps a sort of attempt at a Socratic seminar. You know, for all our benefits. We, the poor and uneducated cliff of Dopers upon which his super clear and not at all ambiguous writing has crashed… upon. It’s pretty cool! We should be grateful. I know I am. ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/165 "2017-05-28T22:40:01Z")
Fiiiiiiinally got around to seeing this (waiting for the crowds to thin and juggling the schedules of the people I wanted to see it with), and while the final conflict inside the planet went on way too long, I’d still give it an 8/10. Also, apparently I have a thing for gold women. So that was interesting to learn. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/166 "2017-05-28T23:15:03Z")
As long as this thread has been re-awakened, maybe someone can clarify a minor plot point for me - I saw the movie two weeks ago, and for some reason this only just hit me, or maybe it was explained, and I’d forgotten. When Rocket is trying to explain to Groot which button to press on the bomb, he starts yelling for a piece of tape to put over the “death button” so the babyish Groot won’t press it by mistake. No one who responds has any tape. (although I do recall that someone asked him if he checked with Nebula, and he said he hadn’t) When Groot goes to actually set off the bomb, lo and behold, there’s a piece of scotch tape over the death button, and he realizes he’s meant to press the other one. Mission successful! So, are we meant to infer that Nebula actually had tape on her? Or that he found some on himself he could use? I realize that on some level, it’s a humorous moment, but it had to have come from somewhere, right? ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/167 "2017-05-28T23:21:53Z")
I don’t remember the death button having tape on it, but I thought that maybe there was something different about its surface like a scratch or a reflection. I’d have to see it again. With no tape, I suppose it just meant that Groot _had_ actually absorbed Rocket’s instructions. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/168 "2017-05-28T23:50:07Z")
I also don’t recall seeing any tape on the second button. ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/169 "2017-05-29T00:03:41Z")
Also, I don’t think they would have had the opportunity. IIRC the tape discussion ends with Groot grabbing the bomb and disappearing down the tunnel. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/170 "2017-05-29T00:44:11Z")
The button doesn’t have tape. It has a scratch on it. I just saw the movie for the second time last week, and remarkably, I liked it so much more the second time. The first time, I walked out thinking “Meh, not as good as the first.” The second time, I felt blown away. I don’t know why, but I appreciated it so much more after the second viewing. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/171 "2017-05-29T01:50:19Z")
Well, that makes sense. I took the scratch to be a piece of scotch tape, referencing the earlier scene. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/172 "2017-05-29T02:09:28Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Why don’t you go down to the quarry and throw yourself down there? Don’t make posts like this to others, because it’s not far from wishing harm on them and can be seen as very insulting. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/173 "2017-05-29T04:19:22Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > The button doesn’t have tape. It has a scratch on it. > I just saw the movie for the second time last week, and remarkably, I liked it so much more the second time. The first time, I walked out thinking “Meh, not as good as the first.” The second time, I felt blown away. I don’t know why, but I appreciated it so much more after the second viewing. That’s how I felt about the first one. I was meh, my sister raved about, I decided on a repeat and it really grew on me. I don’t remember seeing any tape. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/174 "2017-06-03T21:31:17Z")
I finally got around to seeing this. My first reaction is that it’s a very different kind of movie from the first one: The first one was mostly comic, while this one felt like a drama with occasional comic relief (though the comic relief was pretty good when it showed up). My second reaction is that for a being millions of years old, you’d think Ego would have a little more patience. Just let Peter get his fill of living a mortal life, wait a century or so or however long it takes for Gamora’s species to die of old age, let him practice using the planet’s power and get addicted to it, and _then_ spring the Expansion stuff on him. And I also noticed the change in the logo sequence. I liked the old one better: The flipping through comics pages sort of roots the Marvel movies in their origins. This feels like it’s saying that the MCU _is_ Marvel now. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/175 "2017-06-03T21:40:20Z")
Adding my comments late, but I finally saw it a week or so back with the kids. It had the feel of installment 3 or 4 or 5, where they’re running out of steam and trying to wrap up all the threads and don’t really plan another sequel. It did \*not \*feel like a “build out the universe” part 2. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/176 "2017-06-03T22:13:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I finally got around to seeing this. My first reaction is that it’s a very different kind of movie from the first one: The first one was mostly comic, while this one felt like a drama with occasional comic relief (though the comic relief was pretty good when it showed up). Although it is not very similar from a plotting perspective, thematically and structurally the previous and this _Guardians of the Galaxy_ films follow the pattern of first two the original _Star Wars_ trilogy films (_A New Hope_ and _The Empire Strikes Back_). The first _Guardians_, like _A New Hope_ has the classic Campbell-ian monomyth, i.e. _A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man._ Quill assumes himself to be a random kid abducted by the Ravagers who, when given a chance at some redemptive act of greatness, demonstrates fantastic prowess and heroic ability (wielding the Infinity Stone), just as Luke does in destroying the Death Star against nearly hopeless odds. Even the beats of the film are nearly the same; at one point, both teams of bickering heroes are imprisoned and have to escape, then finally come together to fight the menace and are rewarded with celebration and forgiveness. The characters even fit some similar archetypes (if you squint a bit) with sacrifice and resurrection (R2-D2 in _A New Hope_, Groot in _Guardians_). In the second film in each series, the movie begins _in medias res_ sometime after the events of the previous films, with action conspiring to separate the characters. The main protagonist is drawn away by learning of his special abilities and being trained in them in a slower-paced middle sequence, while other members of the team are confronted by a secondary conflict which ends up with a former associate betraying them (Lando Calrissian in _Empire_, Yondu in _Guardian Vol.2_), and the betrayer ultimately reverses himself himself and helps to rescue and reunite the characters. Of course, in _Guardian Vol.2_, Quill actually faces off and destroys his father while in _Empire_ he learns about but is unable to vanquish his father, and only in the third _Star Wars_ film does Luke face off with and ultimate rescue his father, but there are distinct parallels in how the films are structured and paced, with _Guardians Vol. 2_ having much deeper themes and personal consequences. I look forward to the appearance of the Guardians in _Avengers: Infinity Wars_ and their third standalone film which was already greenlit. In these times of hardship Just remember: W…are…Groot! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/177 "2017-06-04T00:36:14Z")
Wow! Excellent analysis, **Stranger**! ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/178 "2017-06-05T09:41:34Z")
So I saw this yesterday, and overall, I liked it; one thing that did grate on me was how casually the supposed ‘heroes’ fucked over the Sovereign. Sure they’re a bit full of themselves, but Rocket actually did steal from them, which normally would have demanded some retributive act. But instead, they just blast through waves of Sovereign starships (conveniently revealed to be remotely piloted, not that anybody seemed to care), and in the end, get away with the theft. Now I’m generally OK with a bit of moral greyness in my heroes, but it just didn’t seem to fit with the rest of the movie, its lightness and the way the characters were portrayed. Was that just me? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/179 "2017-06-05T10:23:41Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So I saw this yesterday, and overall, I liked it; one thing that did grate on me was how casually the supposed ‘heroes’ fucked over the Sovereign. Sure they’re a bit full of themselves, but Rocket actually did steal from them, which normally would have demanded some retributive act. But instead, they just blast through waves of Sovereign starships (conveniently revealed to be remotely piloted, not that anybody seemed to care), and in the end, get away with the theft. > > Now I’m generally OK with a bit of moral greyness in my heroes, but it just didn’t seem to fit with the rest of the movie, its lightness and the way the characters were portrayed. Was that just me? They _are_ amoral thieves and killers - this was made clear (and played for humour) even in the first film, especially that end scene. Peter Quill: What should we do next: Something good, something bad? Bit of both? Gamora: We’ll follow your lead, Star-Lord. Peter Quill: A bit of both! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465/180 "2017-06-05T10:29:08Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Now I’m generally OK with a bit of moral greyness in my heroes, but it just didn’t seem to fit with the rest of the movie, its lightness and the way the characters were portrayed. Was that just me? Well, what were they going to do in the end? Turn Rocket over to rot in a Sovereign prison? Perhaps the argument could be made that Ego would have found Peter eventually one way or another, and that if he hadn’t had Rocket (with the stolen batteries) by his side, he wouldn’t have been able to stop the Expansion from happening. Saving the universe makes up for a little bit of grand larceny and insult to national honor, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-seen-it-open-spoilers/785465.md?page=10)