# Gucks still believe Saddam involved in 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064 "2005-03-17T22:50:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/1 "2005-03-17T22:50:59Z")
The republican and conservative posters on this board, and sadly, some moderates and liberals, keep insisting against all evidence that Republican voters are not largely composed of brain-dead mouth breathers who will believe any bit of disgusting swill to be delicious truth so long as the feedbag it comes from is labelled G.O.P. But yesterday, NPR reported that a survey conducted by the Harris organization came up with these juicy lil tidbits: > [@](#): > > On other issues concerning Iraq, the attitudes of large majorities of the public have not changed significantly in the past few months. > – 88 percent of U.S. adults believe that Saddam Hussein would have made > weapons of mass destruction if he could have (down slightly from 90% in > November). > – 76 percent believe that the Iraqis are better off now than they were > under Saddam Hussein (same as November). > – 64 percent believe that history will give the U.S. credit for bringing > freedom and democracy to Iraq (up slightly from 63% in November). > – 64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda (up > slightly from 62% in November). > – 61 percent believe that Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was a serious > threat to U.S. security (down slightly from 63% in November). [Here’s the link, read it and weep for America!](http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050218/nyf057_1.html) Get that? 64 percent still think Saddam had strong links to Al Qaeda! Nobody and I mean nobody but the hard core Bushistas and other loony toons are pushing that one, given all the evidence against it, but the gucks are still buying it! Four months after the election! I’m sorry, the Americans who voted for Bush on such grounds are fucking STUPID and fucking IGNORANT – and that they STILL buy it is an almost inexpressibly poignant admission of stupidity. It’s about time we admitted that that’s the case. Only when the Dems are willing to deal with the reality in the field – and take full advantage of it – will we be able to compete successfully against the Pubbies for all those guck votes out there. Watch the Simpsons people – Homer Simpson is a much more accurate portrait of the average Republican or MOR voter than you know. I don’t want to hear a word from anyone next time I use the word “gucks.” The evidence is clear, for those with the will to look at it with unclouded eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Lux\_Fiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lux\_Fiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Fiat)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/2 "2005-03-17T22:55:12Z")
What the balls is a “guck?” ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/3 "2005-03-17T22:57:44Z")
> [@Lux Fiat](#): > > What the balls is a “guck?” I think they are Fucks who are slightly more to the right…on your keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![FellowshipoftheBling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@FellowshipoftheBling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FellowshipoftheBling)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/4 "2005-03-17T22:58:49Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > The republican and conservative posters on this board, and sadly, some moderates and liberals, keep insisting against all evidence that Republican voters are not largely composed of brain-dead mouth breathers who will believe any bit of disgusting swill to be delicious truth so long as the feedbag it comes from is labelled G.O.P. > > But yesterday, NPR reported that a survey conducted by the Harris organization came up with these juicy lil tidbits: > > [Here’s the link, read it > and weep for America!](http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050218/nyf057_1.html) > > Get that? 64 percent still think Saddam had strong links to Al Qaeda! Nobody and I mean nobody but the hard core Bushistas and other loony toons are pushing that one, given all the evidence against it, but the gucks are still buying it! Four months after the election! > > I’m sorry, the Americans who voted for Bush on such grounds are fucking STUPID and fucking IGNORANT – and that they STILL buy it is an almost inexpressibly poignant admission of stupidity. It’s about time we admitted that that’s the case. Only when the Dems are willing to deal with the reality in the field – and take full advantage of it – will we be able to compete successfully against the Pubbies for all those guck votes out there. > > Watch the Simpsons people – Homer Simpson is a much more accurate portrait of the average Republican or MOR voter than you know. > > I don’t want to hear a word from anyone next time I use the word “gucks.” The evidence is clear, for those with the will to look at it with unclouded eyes. Your link does not mention the word “republican” even once. According to that 88% 76% 64% 64% and 61% of **U.S. adults** believe in that crap. Correct me if im wrong but no where near that number of U.S. adults voted for Bush. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/5 "2005-03-17T23:00:28Z")
> [@](#): > > – 76 percent believe that the Iraqis are better off now than they were > under Saddam Hussein (same as November). > – 64 percent believe that history will give the U.S. credit for bringing > freedom and democracy to Iraq (up slightly from 63% in November). This registered Democrat who didn’t vote for Bush either time tends to agree with both of those (depending on how you define “better off”). Enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/6 "2005-03-17T23:02:26Z")
> [@Lux Fiat](#): > > What the balls is a “guck?” Sorry, I should have defined the term. A “guck” to my mind is someone who gets all their political opinions and information from the kind of soundbites you pick up on TV news and hate radio, and from their friends who do the same. They are not really all that political, in the sense that their opinions are easily changed and shallow. There are a lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/7 "2005-03-17T23:02:57Z")
The gucks are on the inside, with their hands firmly on the wheel. You, as a non-guck, are on the outside lookin’ in. Is it lonesome out there, standin’ in the cold with your nose pressed against the glass? 😛 You look rather pitiful… ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/8 "2005-03-17T23:15:25Z")
> [@iamthewalrus(:3=](#): > > This registered Democrat who didn’t vote for Bush either time tends to agree with both of those (depending on how you define “better off”). Enlighten me. Well, how many civilians do we think would have died under Sadam Hussein in the same time period? How many soldiers? This may be an easily answered question, but just how many people a year were killed under the old regime? I am going to assume (thought I would love to be wrong) that it is a smaller number than the number of civilians killed since the occupation. That being the case, assuming that my first assumption is right, if we have more dead innocents than I would say that they are probably not better off. This naturally assumes that in the majority of cases, being alive is better than being dead. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2005, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/9 "2005-03-17T23:51:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Get that? 64 percent still think Saddam had strong links to Al Qaeda! You lying fuck. That’s a sight different than “involved in 9/11”. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/10 "2005-03-18T00:00:27Z")
> [@Lux Fiat](#): > > What the balls is a “guck?” It’s tied with “cow-orker” on the list of Internet Terms I Want Criminalized. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/11 "2005-03-18T00:16:23Z")
> [@FellowshipoftheBling](#): > > Your link does not mention the word “republican” even once. According to that 88% 76% 64% 64% and 61% of **U.S. adults** believe in that crap. Correct me if im wrong but no where near that number of U.S. adults voted for Bush. Well, how about [this link](http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf) (warning! PDF!). It’s about a different survey, done about half a year ago, but the results show a strong difference in the ignorance levels of Republicans and Democrats. > [@](#): > > A large majority of Bush supporters believe that before the war Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for building them. A substantial majority of Bush supporters assume that most experts believe Iraq had WMD, and that this was the conclusion of the recently released report by Charles Duelfer. A large majority of Bush supporters believes that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda and that clear evidence of this support has been found. A large majority believes that most experts also have this view, and a substantial majority believe that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Large majorities of Kerry supporters believe the opposite on all these points. In recent months, the American public has been presented reports by the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the heads of the Iraq Survey Group David Kay and Charles Duelfer (chosen by the president), concluding that before the war Iraq had neither weapons of mass destruction, nor even a significant program for developing them. Nonetheless, 72% of Bush supporters continued to hold to the view that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Only 26% of Kerry supporters hold such beliefs. > > Furthermore, 56% of Bush supporters (as compared to 18% of Kerry supporters) believe that most experts say that Iraq did have actual WMD, and another 18% say that the experts’ views are evenly divided on the subject. Only 23% think that most experts believe Iraq did not have WMD. and > [@](#): > > When PIPA polled in March and asked respondents about the conclusions of David Kay’s Senate testimony in January on whether Iraq had WMD, 63% of Bush supporters thought, incorrectly, that he had concluded that Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Thirty-four percent of Kerry supporters had the same impression. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/12 "2005-03-18T00:18:15Z")
So basically, Republicans don’t have a monopoly on ignorance, but they hold a strong majority position. ---
**Author:** ![griffen2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ce7236/32.png) [@griffen2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffen2)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/13 "2005-03-18T00:32:56Z")
> [@Spoofe](#): > > You lying fuck. That’s a sight different than “involved in 9/11” From the article: > [@](#): > > 47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (up six percentage points from November). What most unsettles me is that the number of little empty vessels, _enfranchised_ empty vessels might I add, that buy into this pernicious urban myth has actually _risen_ in the last 5 months. Seems to me there’s been some serious bullshittin’ going on. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/14 "2005-03-18T01:33:46Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > The gucks are on the inside, with their hands firmly on the wheel. You, as a non-guck, are on the outside lookin’ in. > > Is it lonesome out there, standin’ in the cold with your nose pressed against the glass? 😛 > > You look rather pitiful… **John** , you & I get along pretty well, & I’m pretty conservative. But shut the fuck up, you stupid whorehound. We’re _fighting a war_. The _wrong_ war. I said myself, before the invasion, that I’d be a lot happier if W had invaded North Korea, instead. And it sure seems that I was right. Yes, you have your hands on the wheel. But you’re crushing Nuns & schoolgirls under your wheels, & you’re driving drunk, up on the sidewalks, & firing wildly upon all that is good & just in America!! So, shut the fuck up, you stupid whorehound. You’re doing long-term harm to the nation that I love with all the passion of a teenager for his first girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/15 "2005-03-18T01:42:23Z")
How many more statistical-skewing OPs for the sake of “partizanship” must this board endure? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/16 "2005-03-18T01:54:45Z")
> **[KBR spent millions to deliver $82,100 of fuel to Iraq](https://www.chron.com/business/article/KBR-spent-millions-to-deliver-82-100-of-fuel-to-1931184.php)** > > Iraq needed fuel. Halliburton Co. was ordered to get it there — quick. So the... :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/17 "2005-03-18T02:07:22Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Well, how many civilians do we think would have died under Sadam Hussein in the same time period? How many soldiers? This may be an easily answered question, but just how many people a year were killed under the old regime? > > I am going to assume (thought I would love to be wrong) that it is a smaller number than the number of civilians killed since the occupation. That being the case, assuming that my first assumption is right, if we have more dead innocents than I would say that they are probably not better off. This naturally assumes that in the majority of cases, being alive is better than being dead. Well, yes. That is one way of looking at “better off.” However, the aftereffects of a war are more than the immediate numbers of people killed in that war. If that’s all we measured by, every country that has ever had a war is “worse off” than before the war. On the whole, I tend to think that the Iraqi people will be better off in the long run because of the invasion. I’ll admit that I haven’t done an in-depth study. I read political news when the feeling strikes me and participate in political discussions, but the only news-related TV I watch is The Daily Show and about 5 minutes of whatever news show is on in the morning (which lately has been about Michael Jackson :rolleyes: ) when I’m toasting a bagel, and I don’t listen to hate radio. That said, I think the invasion was a terrible idea and do not support our continuing presence in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/18 "2005-03-18T03:16:53Z")
**Evil Captor** , this question has nothing to do with your OP: Where are you from (state)? Your website has me curious about something. Your OP is full of shit, by the way. I for one am wondering where I can find myself some “hate radio.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/19 "2005-03-18T03:34:16Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > But you’re crushing Nuns & schoolgirls under your wheels, & you’re driving drunk, up on the sidewalks, & firing wildly upon all that is good & just in America!! You lost on that, Sir. Since I’m not foaming at the mouth, would you elaborate? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064/20 "2005-03-18T05:08:48Z")
Actually I’d probably side with the majority from the OP on several of those issue: > [@](#): > > 88 percent of U.S. adults believe that Saddam Hussein would have made > weapons of mass destruction if he could have. Agree. I have no doubts that Saddam would have made WMD’s if he could have. What we’ve now found out is that he did not have this ability. > [@](#): > > 76 percent believe that the Iraqis are better off now than they were > under Saddam Hussein. Agree. But that’s setting the bar pretty low. > [@](#): > > 64 percent believe that history will give the U.S. credit for bringing > freedom and democracy to Iraq. If freedom and democracy emerge in Iraq, the US will get (and deserve) the credit. If things fall apart we’ll get the blame. But I’m making no predictions at this point how things will turn out. > [@](#): > > 64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda. Disagree. > [@](#): > > 61 percent believe that Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was a serious > threat to U.S. security. Disagree. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gucks-still-believe-saddam-involved-in-9-11/295064.md?page=2)