# Guess what 60 Minutes decided to do last night? (Answer: Benghazi) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429 "2013-10-28T09:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/61 "2013-10-28T15:47:16Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. It’s not a lie when you say something like “we need more facts before we make the determination”. It is a lie when you know fairly certainly that this was a planned attack and you go out and tell the press that it was all due to “spontaneous demonstration”. > > 2. What they had to gain was a temporary cover for their security failure. I asked what they _possibly_ had to gain. We already know there wasn’t a security failure the administration needed “cover” for - the lack of embassy security [was the result of Congress’ decision to cut funding](http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf). Leaving that aside, that still doesn’t make sense. How would the administration benefit from covering up a security failure by pointing to… a different security failure? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/62 "2013-10-28T15:47:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > 1. It’s not a lie when you say something like “we need more facts before we make the determination”. It is a lie when you know fairly certainly that this was a planned attack and you go out and tell the press that it was all due to “spontaneous demonstration”. > > 2. What they had to gain was a temporary cover for their security failure. It’s a _ **security failure** _ either way. There is no cover, temporary or otherwise. The only explanation that holds any water is that “terrorism” would undermine candidate Obama’s narrative that he had won the war on terror and thus deserved re-election. The problem with that is that Obama never claimed that he had won the war on terror or that there would be no more terrorist attacks because of his fine leadership. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/63 "2013-10-28T15:52:52Z")
Embassies are not supposed to be armed encampments. By their very nature, embassies and lesser offices depend on the host country for their security, it is a statement of faith and respect towards that country. That faith is often misplaced, often deliberately. And the risks are taken by people who are fully aware of that risk, that do it for their country. Much like a soldier, except without the option of shooting back. The attack is less an indictment of poor security than a clear instance of super-macho tough guy terrorists who are somewhat less willing to die for Allah than they pretend. Hard asses attack hard targets and armed soldiers. Wussies attack diplomats. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/64 "2013-10-28T15:54:03Z")
So are we agreed then that **adaher** is wrong once again, and this time **Terr** is wrong with him? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/65 "2013-10-28T15:54:19Z")
Just as a thought exercise, let’s assume that all of Terr’s and adaher’s stated beliefs about the Benghazi attack were true. Then what? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/66 "2013-10-28T15:54:42Z")
I gotta listen to that little voice of mine when it tells me not to click on adaher posts… -\_- ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/67 "2013-10-28T15:58:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Just as a thought exercise, let’s assume that all of Terr’s and adaher’s stated beliefs about the Benghazi attack were true. > Then what? Then any Republican candidate for the next Presidential election wins by default. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/68 "2013-10-28T16:00:47Z")
Ted Cruz couldn’t win if\* 60 Minutes\* had a handwritten note from Hilary to AlQ saying “Kill 'em all!”. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/69 "2013-10-28T16:03:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Then any Republican candidate for the next Presidential election wins by default. Hmmm… seems a bit optimistic to me. How high is the public level of interest in Benghazi and how high is it likely to be in November 2016? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/70 "2013-10-28T16:03:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ted Cruz couldn’t win if\* 60 Minutes\* had a handwritten note from Hilary to AlQ saying “Kill 'em all!”. In their minds, dude, in their minds. I mean, some people apparently thought Michelle Bachmann was a viable candidate. For a while, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/71 "2013-10-28T16:06:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > This was a specific threat, one of three made, with two already carried out. So when it is carried out, it is a bit hard to believe that the officials involved thought it was “spontaneous demonstrations” that killed the Ambassador. Given this, it was a terrible move by Obama and Clinton to cut funding to the State Department. We have specific threats and they decide to cut that budget and hamper their ability of the State Department to provide additional security? I’m disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/72 "2013-10-28T16:14:39Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Given this, it was a terrible move by Obama and Clinton to cut funding to the State Department. We have specific threats and they decide to cut that budget and hamper their ability of the State Department to provide additional security? Another stupid “gotcha” try. I believe the topic was lies after the attack. I know it’s uncomfortable for you and other lefty posters here so you try to switch it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/73 "2013-10-28T16:16:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So are we agreed then that **adaher** is wrong once again, and this time **Terr** is wrong with him? When I said **adaher** should try being wrong less often, I didn’t mean that he should let someone else be wrong for him. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/74 "2013-10-28T16:17:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Another stupid “gotcha” try. I believe the topic was lies after the attack. I know it’s uncomfortable for you and other lefty posters here so you try to switch it. Yes, how dishonest of them to try to talk about the part of this story that actually matters. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/75 "2013-10-28T16:20:37Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Another stupid “gotcha” try. I believe the topic was lies after the attack. I know it’s uncomfortable for you and other lefty posters here so you try to switch it. Did the 60 minutes piece deal with these “lies”? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/76 "2013-10-28T16:24:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Did the 60 minutes piece deal with these “lies”? No, it provided information that shows that those were lies. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/77 "2013-10-28T16:35:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Another stupid “gotcha” try. I believe the topic was lies after the attack. I don’t give a fucking rats ass what happened after the attack. Four fucking corpses and all you fucking give a shit about is who said what. No wonder your fucking party is despised. You don’t give a shit that your anti-tax worship actually impeded our country’s ability to protect a consulate. What’s important is the way you can spin those corpses into a Pro-Republican narrative. Quit managing the narrative and start managing the fucking country, that’s supposed to be the friggin’ job. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/78 "2013-10-28T16:38:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, it provided information that shows that those were lies. And sooooo…? C’mon, drop the other shoe, fer cryin’ out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/79 "2013-10-28T16:39:25Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I don’t give a fucking rats ass what happened after the attack. Four fucking corpses and all you fucking give a shit about is who said what. > > No wonder your fucking party is despised. You don’t give a shit that your anti-tax worship actually impeded our country’s ability to protect a consulate. What’s important is the way you can spin those corpses into a Pro-Republican narrative. > > Quit managing the narrative and start managing the fucking country, that’s supposed to be the friggin’ job. Your little “gotcha” didn’t work so you decide to throw a tantrum? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/80 "2013-10-28T16:40:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > No, it provided information that shows that those were lies. Then those “lies” aren’t really the topic of the thread, are they? Why can’t we deal with what happened in Benghazi as a lesson to learn from and to better protect/assign people to take care of our interests overseas? To me this whole “lie” thing is exactly what I said earlier, dragging dead bodies out on parade to score some imaginary partisan point rather than focusing on what is important, protecting human lives. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429.md?page=5)