# Guess what 60 Minutes decided to do last night? (Answer: Benghazi) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429 "2013-10-28T09:40:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/81 "2013-10-28T16:42:59Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Your little “gotcha” didn’t work so you decide to throw a tantrum? Well, it is getting very tiresome to keep hearing such stupid arguments from people who should know better. As wise woman once said “what difference does it make” and no one has yet come up with an answer. This debate would be like arguing whether Obama called Sandy a “hurricane” or a “tropical storm.” Completely misses all the important questions of the event. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/82 "2013-10-28T16:53:29Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Well, it is getting very tiresome to keep hearing such stupid arguments from people who should know better. As wise woman once said “what difference does it make” and no one has yet come up with an answer. This debate would be like arguing whether Obama called Sandy a “hurricane” or a “tropical storm.” Completely misses all the important questions of the event. Amen to that. Who gives a flying fuck what the UN Ambassador said on the Sunday talk shows days after the attack? In retrospect, she shouldn’t have addressed it. But if you can ignore the multiple attacks on consulates and embassies under the Bush administration with multiple casualties and if you can ignore Republican cuts to State Department funding that contributed to the lack of security and if you ONLY focus on what the UN Ambassador said or if you think that a fighter jet could have quelled a riot or if a couple more miltary guys with handguns would have made a difference than maybe you can get your panties in a twist about it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/83 "2013-10-28T16:54:37Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Why can’t we deal with what happened in Benghazi as a lesson to learn from and to better protect/assign people to take care of our interests overseas? To me this whole “lie” thing is exactly what I said earlier, dragging dead bodies out on parade to score some imaginary partisan point rather than focusing on what is important, protecting human lives. How do you deal with what happened in Benghazi if the Administration lies about what happened in Benghazi? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/84 "2013-10-28T16:55:30Z")
Yanno, just \*let \*'em keep hammering on this thing, OK? It only detracts from the ability of the GOP Sane Caucus to regain control and demonstrate it. The more you hear Benghazi mentioned over the next few years, the stronger the mandate of the upcoming Dem-controlled Congress and the next Clinton Administration will be. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/85 "2013-10-28T16:57:03Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How do you deal with what happened in Benghazi if the Administration lies about what happened in Benghazi? Because one resulted in the death of humans in the real world and the other serves absolutely no purpose outside of scoring imaginary political point. I can tell which is more important to you, which tells me tons about your priorities. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/86 "2013-10-28T16:59:20Z")
And then you can start to work on [this list](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/13-benghazis-that-occurre_b_3246847.html), **Terr**. Show us your outrage. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/87 "2013-10-28T17:01:09Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > 1. It’s not a lie when you say something like “we need more facts before we make the determination”. Great. [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/16/flashback-what-susan-rice-said-about-benghazi/](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/16/flashback-what-susan-rice-said-about-benghazi/) Susan Rice on ABC’s “This Week”: “Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.” Susan Rice on CBS’s “Face the Nation”: “So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions.” Susan Rice on “Fox News Sunday”: “Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then.” Happy? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/88 "2013-10-28T17:04:54Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Great. > > [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/16/flashback-what-susan-rice-said-about-benghazi/](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/11/16/flashback-what-susan-rice-said-about-benghazi/) > > Susan Rice on ABC’s “This Week”: “Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired.” > > Susan Rice on CBS’s “Face the Nation”: “So we’ll want to see the results of that [FBI] investigation to draw any definitive conclusions.” > > Susan Rice on “Fox News Sunday”: “Obviously, we will wait for the results of the investigation and we don’t want to jump to conclusions before then.” > > Happy? Was that after she lied about it being “spontaneous demonstrations” or before? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/89 "2013-10-28T17:10:50Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Your little “gotcha” didn’t work so you decide to throw a tantrum? My little gotcha about the people throwing the biggest fit over this “scandal” being intimately involved in ensuring that the State department had fewer resources to protect the people who wound up dead? By all means, talk about the lies, it’s the Republican way. Words are more important than people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/90 "2013-10-28T17:13:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was that after she lied about it being “spontaneous demonstrations” or before? Per the link, she said, at the same time as she cautioned that they would not know for sure until the investigation was complete, that current assessment indicated it may have been spontaneous. A lie implies she knew it was untrue- I see no reason to conclude that Susan Rice knew the sum total of every piece of information known by the administration and intelligence agencies. Here’s a scenario that’s far, far more plausible than “she lied”: She was given a rushed brief by some White House intelligence staffer. This rushed brief probably didn’t include all the information known by every source- there just wasn’t enough time _and it wasn’t really that important_- what was important was the investigation, and making sure everyone still alive was safe. And especially considering that she cautioned that the investigation was ongoing, and they shouldn’t jump to conclusions, it’s just the most obvious political theater to go after what was, at worst, a premature and incorrect guess that did no harm to anyone. So the administration is guilty of putting out incorrect information prematurely, while in the same statement qualifying that this information might be premature and no conclusions can be made. Oohhh, so bad! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/91 "2013-10-28T17:14:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was that after she lied about it being “spontaneous demonstrations” or before? So to answer this question (and ignore the “lie” part)- she made these pleas of caution _at the same time_ that she indicated the “current assessment” of a spontaneous demonstration. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/92 "2013-10-28T17:16:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Administration knew about the threats, and knew that this was the third threat out of three and the first two were already carried out. So when it happened, to claim that it was just a “spontaneous demonstration” was disingenuous at best. A thug says, “I’m gonna beat up Larry, Ted and Terr.” Larry and Ted are beat up several months apart. We find you beat into a coma. Are you under the impression that you can just assume the Thug beat you up? We shouldn’t even look for evidence before saying that? You’re not a stupid person, but your ideology makes you leap to stupid conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/93 "2013-10-28T17:16:50Z")
So, as it turns out, CBS’ source for this story had previously talked to Fox News. [They refused to deal with him because he wanted them to pay him.](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/28/60-minutes-benghazi-eyewitness-asked-fox-news-f/196623) **adaher** , don’t you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/94 "2013-10-28T17:17:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was that after she lied about it being “spontaneous demonstrations” or before? It was either before or after Mr. Rice beat his wife. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/95 "2013-10-28T17:19:04Z")
Holy crap, Terr. Suppose you go to the doctor and he looks down your throat and he says “Gee, looks like it could be strep. We’ll have to take a culture to be sure.” Then the culture comes back negative and you just have a virus, not strep. Do you spend THE REST OF YOUR LIFE whining about it, insisting “That dirty doctor lied to me about having strep!”? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/96 "2013-10-28T17:25:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Holy crap, Terr. Suppose you go to the doctor and he looks down your throat and he says “Gee, looks like it could be strep. We’ll have to take a culture to be sure.” Then the culture comes back negative and you just have a virus, not strep. Do you spend THE REST OF YOUR LIFE whining about it, insisting “That dirty doctor lied to me about having strep!”? What’s the doctor’s political affiliation? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/97 "2013-10-28T17:26:36Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Holy crap, Terr. Suppose you go to the doctor and he looks down your throat and he says “Gee, looks like it could be strep. We’ll have to take a culture to be sure.” Then the culture comes back negative and you just have a virus, not strep. Do you spend THE REST OF YOUR LIFE whining about it, insisting “That dirty doctor lied to me about having strep!”? Only if the doctor is a Democrat, because that’s the important part. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/98 "2013-10-28T17:26:39Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Try to summon Cthulhu for an interview? > > Tore off Dick Cheney’s mask on camera to show that he’s really a lizard alien? > > Produced evidence that Obama isn’t really an American citizen, but is actually a lab rat driving an Obama-bot? Which would make Biden Pinky in a Biden-bot, probably… > > Produced evidence that Huitzilopochtli is the One True God, and sacrificed a member of the staff on-air? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > People still watch _60 Minutes_? I would watch **Der Trihs’** version. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/99 "2013-10-28T17:33:11Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > A thug says, “I’m gonna beat up Larry, Ted and Terr.” Larry and Ted are beat up several months apart. We find you beat into a coma. > > Are you under the impression that you can just assume the Thug beat you up? We shouldn’t even look for evidence before saying that? > > You’re not a stupid person, but your ideology makes you leap to stupid conclusions. To make the analogy better, the same day we found Terr beat up, there were several other people in various locations found with similar injuries, and it is known that Thug had no part in their attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-what-60-minutes-decided-to-do-last-night-answer-benghazi/672429/100 "2013-10-28T17:42:53Z")
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