# Guess who is upset about Wolfenstein 2? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 6, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116 "2017-10-06T16:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/1 "2017-10-06T16:31:00Z")
So here we have a sequel to a game set in an alternate universe where the Nazis won WWII, and the tag line is [“Make America Nazi-Free Again!”](https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/05/wolfenstein-2-teaser-angers-alt-right-twitter-make-america-nazi-free-slogan/)…and the alt-right think it’s about _them_ and throws a hissy-fit. Do they have any case(besides mental)? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/2 "2017-10-06T16:46:38Z")
Hell it’s the basis for a semi-hit Netflix series. It’s interesting considering that Trump is associated in many people’s minds with white supremeness (nazi like) groups, and it is a play on his campaign slogan. It is not a glamorous place to be for the Alt Right, since the theme of the game is ‘the good cause’. How much one can blame a game however is another laughable subject. For many years the left has been associated with wining about games and how it effects the general population. However it is in this case, as the OP states it, the right who is having a issue with it, because it is against them, however their stand has been personal responsibility and let the game be a game as it’s only a game. So it would be quite a turn around if the right wines on this. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/3 "2017-10-06T16:50:58Z")
This is the same group that [got upset about an 18[sup]th[/sup] Century custard recipe](https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/vbmz8d/trump-supporters-enraged-by-18th-century-custard-recipe). ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/4 "2017-10-06T16:56:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For many years the left has been associated with wining about games and how it effects the general population. Perhaps [the loudest voice against video games](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)) (mostly because news shows love batshit crazy and low hanging fruit and he’s got both in abundance) aligns more closely with conservative principles, though I’m not 100% sure he considers himself far right (just 99.5%). This neither proves nor disproves your statement and is simply an anecdote. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/5 "2017-10-06T18:30:24Z")
If the Jackboot fits… ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/6 "2017-10-06T19:12:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So here we have a sequel to a game set in an alternate universe where the Nazis won WWII, and the tag line is [“Make America Nazi-Free Again!”](https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/05/wolfenstein-2-teaser-angers-alt-right-twitter-make-america-nazi-free-slogan/)…and the alt-right think it’s about _them_ and throws a hissy-fit. Do they have any case(besides mental)? Since I’m apparently trapped in this alternate universe where the White House is currently occupied by white racist nationalists, I fail to care much about complaints of a slight different alternate universe where it’s occupied by Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/7 "2017-10-19T18:44:42Z")
Wait, these people are self-identifying as Nazis? ETA: Is that a thing now over there? I’ve heard vague stuff about alt-right, but I just thought it was tea-party v2, not, you know, actual nazism. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/8 "2017-10-19T18:54:13Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > Wait, these people are self-identifying as Nazis? You’re being terribly unfair with that question. You don’t have to self-identify as a Nazi to be offended by this game. The trailer also shows Blazkowicz shooting a hooded Klansman. They could be self-identifying with that guy instead. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/9 "2017-10-19T18:56:40Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Perhaps [the loudest voice against video games](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)) (mostly because news shows love batshit crazy and low hanging fruit and he’s got both in abundance) aligns more closely with conservative principles, though I’m not 100% sure he considers himself far right (just 99.5%). This neither proves nor disproves your statement and is simply an anecdote. Is he even an issue anymore? I haven’t heard a peep since his disbarment. Meanwhile, one of the [left’s loudest anti-video game guy is in prison](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee). The video game world has a batshit crazy void that needs filling. > [@Gukumatz](#): > > Wait, these people are self-identifying as Nazis? > > ETA: Is that a thing now over there? I’ve heard vague stuff about alt-right, but I just thought it was tea-party v2, not, you know, actual nazism. The Tea Party was initially an economic conservative (so, probably “liberal” in European terms), that started to gain socially conservative. The alt-right is socially conservative, economically ?, but mostly trollish racist. There is some overlap but certainly many who only went for one and dislike the other. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/10 "2017-10-19T20:14:51Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > The Tea Party was initially an economic conservative (so, probably “liberal” in European terms), that started to gain socially conservative. The alt-right is socially conservative, economically ?, but mostly trollish racist. There is some overlap but certainly many who only went for one and dislike the other. I think they operate under the policy of “The enemy of my enemy is _second_ in line when the Revolution comes”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/11 "2017-10-20T01:46:09Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > Wait, these people are self-identifying as Nazis? > > ETA: Is that a thing now over there? I’ve heard vague stuff about alt-right, but I just thought it was tea-party v2, not, you know, actual nazism. The alt right is literally just re-branded neo-Nazism. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/12 "2017-10-20T05:12:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The alt right is literally just re-branded neo-Nazism. Yep. There are even newspapers who have a policy of not using the term alt-right because it’s a euphemism. I’m talking the Washington Post and such. It’s the far right in the European sense, ergo “alt-right.” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/13 "2017-10-20T14:02:59Z")
So… is the game any good? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/14 "2017-10-20T14:11:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > So… is the game any good? Launches on the 27th. But the earlier Wolfenstein from a couple years ago was aces so high hopes for this one. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/15 "2017-10-20T17:46:35Z")
From [here](http://www.pcgamer.com/bethesda-embraces-anti-nazi-stance-thats-what-wolfenstein-represents/). > [@](#): > > The Wolfenstein series actually debuted way back in 1981 with the top-down stealth game Castle Wolfenstein, and its 1984 follow-up Beyond Castle Wolfenstein. But it became more widely known as an FPS series in 1992 with id Software’s Wolfenstein 3D, a game about killing Nazis, and the prequel Spear of Destiny, which was also about killing Nazis. The series was rebooted in 2001 by Activision with Return to Castle Wolfenstein, a game about killing Nazis, but went dormant again until the release of Wolfenstein, a game about killing Nazis, in 2009. Bethesda acquired the series along with id Software and gave it a powerful character-driven twist in 2014 with Wolfenstein: The New Order, a game about killing Nazis, and then followed up a year later with Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, a “standalone expansion” prequel about killing Nazis. I’m guessing the new game will involve killing Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/16 "2017-10-20T18:19:52Z")
Nonsense, the original games were also about killing RoboNazis and ZombieNazis, too. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/17 "2017-10-20T19:32:55Z")
Don’t forget about the Wolfenstein secret levels in Doom 2, whereOHMYGODIT’SACYBERDEMONANDI’MNOTREADYFORITHERE!. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/18 "2017-10-20T20:07:35Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > Wait, these people are self-identifying as Nazis? > > ETA: Is that a thing now over there? I’ve heard vague stuff about alt-right, but I just thought it was tea-party v2, not, you know, actual nazism. [Seems like these people at the “Unite The Right” rally are pretty self-identified with Nazism.](http://www.google.com/images?q=charlottesville+neo-nazi+swastika) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/19 "2017-10-20T20:25:19Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Nonsense, the original games were also about killing RoboNazis and ZombieNazis, too. And let’s not forget the Nazihunds either! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116/20 "2017-10-20T21:58:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So here we have a sequel to a game set in an alternate universe where the Nazis won WWII, and the tag line is [“Make America Nazi-Free Again!”](https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/05/wolfenstein-2-teaser-angers-alt-right-twitter-make-america-nazi-free-slogan/)…and the alt-right think it’s about _them_ and throws a hissy-fit. Do they have any case(besides mental)? Well… yes and no. Bethesda didn’t make a game about Nazis occupying America in response to anything that’s happened since last November. The idea for this game was set up in the previous Wolfenstein game, which mentioned an occupied America but didn’t actually set any gameplay there. This didn’t stop some of the dimmer bulbs in the alt-right movement from complaining about the game. Bethesda’s response has been… well, a little troll-y. [This ad, for example](https://www.realgear.net/news/games/wolfenstein-ii-the-new-colossus-gets-yet-another-provocative-ad/), seems to be playing on the viral video of [neo-Nazi Richard Spenser getting socked in the jaw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCRv2FV8c7w), and has a tag that reads as more aimed at modern audiences that fictional Nazi occupiers in 1960. So, they didn’t have a case to start with, but Bethesda’s position seems to be, “We didn’t intend that meaning, but we’re 100% willing to own it now that you knobs are complaining about it.” Anyway, my pre-order is in already. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guess-who-is-upset-about-wolfenstein-2/798116.md?page=2)