# Guilty Pleasures: Movies you like but are/were widely panned as a bad movie **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884 "2021-12-11T13:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/21 "2021-12-11T15:24:03Z")
Another vote for _Hudson Hawk_, and others on my list are _Xanadu_, _Shock Treatment_ and _Hot Stuff_. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/22 "2021-12-11T15:25:36Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > “Used Cars” with Kurt Russell. Did he say “Fuck”? That’s an FCC violation. Solid, raunchy laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/23 "2021-12-11T15:28:25Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > “Used Cars” with Kurt Russell. Speaking of Kurt Russell I’ll add _Big Trouble in Little China_. Waaay underrated movie. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/24 "2021-12-11T15:32:28Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Speaking of Kurt Russell I’ll add _Big Trouble in Little China_ . Waaay underrated movie. Which made me think of _The Golden Child_, Numsie. It’s high time for a re-watch. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/25 "2021-12-11T15:34:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Another vote for _Hudson Hawk_ , and others on my list are _Xanadu_ , _Shock Treatment_ and _Hot Stuff_ . I like all on your list except _Xanadu_ (no matter how much of a crush I had on Olivia Newton-John). ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/26 "2021-12-11T15:38:41Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’ll add Point Break (the original one). Love it. This was certainly not widely panned. 69% & 79% on Rotten Tomatoes. I think “gloriously absurd” is the consensus. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/27 "2021-12-11T15:39:41Z")
> [@CardboardBoxx](#): > > Was _Clue_ panned? I wasn’t aware of it at time of release, as I was just a child, but I’ve never seen anyone talk badly about it. I’m thinking it doesn’t belong in this thread. It performed poorly at the box office. I happen to really like _Clue,_ but I think it’s only got a cult following and that most people remain clueless about it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/28 "2021-12-11T15:40:53Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > …most people remain clueless about it. I see what you did there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/29 "2021-12-11T15:43:59Z")
> [@CardboardBoxx](#): > > Was _Clue_ panned? It’s got a 7.3 in imdb, as did Point Break. Used Cars gets a 6.8 (even though there were nuns protesting). Red Dawn gets a 6.4. One of my guesses turns out to be higher than all of them. Ladies and gentlemen, with a 7.7 on imdb, I give you… > **[First Blood (1982) ⭐ 7.7 | Action, Adventure, Thriller](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083944/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)** > > 1h 33m | R ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/30 "2021-12-11T15:44:56Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > most people remain clueless As if. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/31 "2021-12-11T16:00:30Z")
My usual answer in these threads is “Congo”. Not a brilliant movie, but great mindless entertainment with fun supporting roles from Tim Curry and Ernie Hudson. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/32 "2021-12-11T16:03:24Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > One of my guesses turns out to be higher than all of them. Ladies and gentlemen, with a 7.7 on imdb, I give you… > > [First Blood (1982) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083944/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) _First Blood_ is a pretty good movie whose reputation suffers because of the sequels I think. I don’t think Rambo actually even kills anyone in the first movie. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/33 "2021-12-11T16:11:06Z")
That’s what I was about to say. While Rambo: First Blood is a serious and well-made drama, its sequels are ridiculous over-the-top action flicks. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/34 "2021-12-11T16:30:01Z")
Some of these suggestions weren’t widely panned, at least not based on their Rotten Tomatoes scores but my suggestion would be EuroTrip. I liked that much better than I thought I would. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/35 "2021-12-11T16:35:01Z")
_Van Helsing_ (the 2004 film, with Hugh Jackman). Super-cheesy, way over-the-top, and I don’t care, I still enjoy it. Seconding votes for _Xanadu_ and _Clue_. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/36 "2021-12-11T17:11:53Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > _First Blood_ is a pretty good movie whose reputation suffers because of the sequels I think. I don’t think Rambo actually even kills anyone in the first movie. Context: it took awhile for a studio to make the movie. The rights were bought in 1972. > For the role of Sheriff Teasle, Kassar and Vajna approached [Academy Award](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award) winners Hackman and [Robert Duvall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Duvall) but both turned the part down. Marvin, another Oscar winner, turned down the part of Colonel Trautman. [James Mason](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mason), [Milton Berle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Berle), [Charles Nelson Reilly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nelson_Reilly) and [Richard Jaeckel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jaeckel) were also considered. Milton Berle? Charles Nelson Reilly?! 😵 > [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t think Rambo actually even kills anyone in the first movie. If you don’t count the nasty cop who fell from the helicopter, I think you’re right. Even if you say Rambo killed him, it would be self-defense because the guy kept trying to shoot him. > The original Rambo was so bloodthirsty… the story was so hard, so terrifying every step of the way. (I think that’s one reason the book took so long to get done). What I did with Rambo was try to keep one foot in the Establishment and one foot in the outlaw or frontier image. I wanted him to be accepted by the mainstream—but also be a criminal. So he has some strong patriotic views—and he loves the system. He just doesn’t like a lot of the people who live and work in it. > > Sylvester Stallone, 1985[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Blood#cite_note-:0-5) > **[First Blood | Casting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Blood#Casting)** > > Brooks originally wanted to cast Bette Davis as a psychiatrist and either Burt Lancaster or Lee Marvin as Sheriff Teasle. When the project was purchased by Warner Bros., Robert De Niro and Clint Eastwood were each considered for the role of Rambo. Ritt intended to cast Robert Mitchum as Teasle and Paul Newman as Rambo. Pollack considered Steve McQueen but then rejected him because they considered him too old to play a Vietnam veteran from 1975. James Caan, Burt Reynolds and Robert Redford Rabe de... ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/37 "2021-12-11T17:17:32Z")
_Xanadu_. Silly, but fun. _Lifeforce_, starring Mathilda May’s breasts, and a bunch of British actors. Oh, yeah, and one gratuitous American, who is ostensibly the star of the film, but manages to make Raymond Burr’s contributions to _Godzilla_ look vitally important to the story. The Keanu Reeves version of _47 Ronin_. Yes, I know, they took liberties with the historical facts. But you know what? Most of what we think we know about the incident was written by poets, and dramatists, and people with social and political axes to grind. It has always been more myth than history. When this film added tengu and shapeshifting foxes, it was at least being honest about screwing with the history. _Zardoz_. Silly as hell, but fun. About the time Boorman made this, he was attempting to get the film rights to _Lord of the Rings_. I think we can all be grateful that he didn’t succeed. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47774/32.png) [@epbrown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/38 "2021-12-11T17:26:14Z")
The Spielberg film _1941._ A 5.8 IMBD score, 42% on Rotten Tomotoes, it’s a zany multi-threaded comedy set in California after Pearl Harbor. It’s got a great cast, it’s funny, and watching it, you see a lot of where the people involved were headed. Spielberg’s (in)famous use of light. Robert Zemeckis wrote it, and you get the same manic vibe from _Used Cars_ and _Back to the Future._ And for years I’ve used to scene of Ned Beatty figuring out how to use the anti-aircraft gun left on his front lawn to talk about how people fail to recognize the path to success. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/39 "2021-12-11T17:27:22Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > _Lifeforce_ , starring Mathilda May’s breasts I really tried to like that movie but didn’t. Mathilda May’s breasts were the only thing that got teenage me to keep watching. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/40 "2021-12-11T17:55:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Some of these suggestions weren’t widely panned, These threads always end up becoming, “Name a movie.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884.md?page=3)