# Guilty Pleasures: Movies you like but are/were widely panned as a bad movie **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [December 11, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884 "2021-12-11T13:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![TimfromNapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@TimfromNapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimfromNapa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/101 "2021-12-12T16:35:51Z")
Call me a Philistine, but I enjoyed David Lynch’s Dune. I also liked Men of Action (I may be the only one). ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/102 "2021-12-12T16:49:44Z")
Here’s one nobody else has mentioned: at 9%/18%, 2004’s Catwoman with Halle Berry. That is a great movie, with a very well-done character story of a person dealing with their personalty being hijacked by an invading spirit. Sure the villain is a bit odd, but they’re just part of the background; the real problem Patience is dealing with is what’s happening inside her head. I get why people didn’t like the movie - they were expecting a mindless action romp featuring Selena Kyle in gotham city, and they very much didn’t get _that_. But taken on its own the film is good, if not great. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/103 "2021-12-12T16:49:45Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > Do you know about Gortner’s life before turning to acting?: Yeah, I did, but hoped to avoid mentioning _Marjoe_ becuase I thought it was an excellent documentary about a young, once-prominent evangelical laying out - in a straight-up manner, completely devoid of histrionics or embellishment - all the nuts and bolts (and caveats) about that life. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/104 "2021-12-12T16:57:07Z")
Some favorite lines: “He was a _wizard_, Neil!” “That’s a gift!” “Hello, 9-1-1? Yeah, my friend is bleeding out of her vagina! … _Why are you laughing at me?_” ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/105 "2021-12-12T18:12:06Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I get why people didn’t like the movie - they were expecting a mindless action romp featuring Selena Kyle in gotham city, and they very much didn’t get _that_ . Catwoman was more silly than I expected, not less. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/106 "2021-12-12T18:44:39Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Catwoman was more silly than I expected, not less. The story of an eldritch abomination possessing the body of a woman and gradually altering her personality until it can successfully merge her identity with its own, until it carries out a successful integration (as opposed to the basically failed integration it attempted in Batman Returns)? Yeah, that’s comedy right there! ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/107 "2021-12-12T18:45:15Z")
> [@TimfromNapa](#): > > Call me a Philistine, but I enjoyed David Lynch’s Dune. I also liked Men of Action (I may be the only one). I too liked Lynch’s _Dune._ Even after reading the book, I didn’t think his was such a bad adaptation. I got the gist of the story. > [@begbert2](#): > > Here’s one nobody else has mentioned: at 9%/18%, 2004’s Catwoman with Halle Berry. That is a great movie, with a very well-done character story of a person dealing with their personalty being hijacked by an invading spirit. I think you might win. I’ve met other people who enjoyed _Hudson Hawk,_ _Dune,_ and even _Star Trek V,_ but I’ve never met someone who said they liked _Catwoman._ I think you deserve a prize. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/108 "2021-12-12T18:45:37Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I remember thinking that it was very funny when I saw it in the early '80s. I haven’t seen it since then, and I’m not sure how well the humor (particularly the gay stereotypes) has aged. (Zorro The Gay Blade) I loved it when it was new, recently watched it again and enjoyed it just as much as 40 years ago. I’m sure I speak for many pipple. On the other hand, I also loved and had fondly remembered **Love At First Bite**. Recently saw it again and couldn’t even finish it. Awful film sprinkled with a few really funny lines. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/109 "2021-12-12T18:58:25Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > On the other hand, I also loved and had fondly remembered **Love At First Bite**. Recently saw it again and couldn’t even finish it. Awful film sprinkled with a few really funny lines. It’s been so long since I’ve seen that movie I only remember a few things. “Children of the night, shut up!” And a scene where someone holds a knife to Dracula and he waves his hand and the blade goes limp. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/110 "2021-12-12T19:03:15Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > It’s been so long since I’ve seen that movie I only remember a few things. Exactly. I’d remembered the good gags (“Silver bullet’s for a werewolf! The man’s not hurt! I’m a doctor…”) but forgotten the otherwise lame screenplay. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/111 "2021-12-12T19:12:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@pkbites](#): > > > > …even pearl gripped cap guns. > > Were those the cap guns with the red paper strip you feed through that had some explodey stuff in it Yeah, but they didn’t have that stupid orange cap at the end of the barrel. I also had a Johnny Eagle but it didn’t fit in my Lone Ranger holsters. ---
**Author:** ![TimfromNapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@TimfromNapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimfromNapa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/112 "2021-12-12T19:20:53Z")
My fave, “I suck cock for gold coin”. ---
**Author:** ![TimfromNapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@TimfromNapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimfromNapa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/113 "2021-12-12T19:24:55Z")
Oops. I got a title wrong. Should have said “Mystery Men”, not “Men of Action”. I think I forgot the title out of shame for having liked it. It was roundly trashed by critics, viewers, and the actors involved. Oh well, no accounting for lack of taste (mine). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/114 "2021-12-12T19:33:53Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Probably more, I tend to like more movies than dislike movies [though I am not overly fond of Cowboy/western films, I liked The Shootist and there is something primally grabbing about the John Wayne ‘[Fill your hand, you son of a bitch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoH_BeOTidY)’ that just really grabs me, though. Were you conflating “The Shootist” with “True Grit”, or are you just giving two separate examples? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/115 "2021-12-12T20:03:00Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Tamerlane](#): > > > > I looove The 13th Warrior, which does indeed get a shitty 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. I even own it on DVD, somewhere. > > This one made my jaw drop. I can’t believe it’s that low. The scene of the Arab diplomat learning the Viking’s language just by listening to them for several weeks/months by itself should give it a higher rating > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVURiaVgG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVURiaVgG8) I remember that. Very clever bit of filmmaking. I can’t remember if it was in this movie, or in _Beowulf and Grendel_, the Gerard Butler/Stellan Skarsgaard film, that the Geats watch a fiery dragon descend from a mountain toward Heorot in a river of flame; but when it arrives, they see it’s actually a band of men with torches. Another clever effect. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/116 "2021-12-12T20:06:31Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > I can’t remember if it was in this movie, or in _Beowulf and Grendel_ , the Gerard Butler/Stellan Skarsgaard film, that the Geats watch a fiery dragon descend from a mountain toward Heorot in a river of flame; but when it arrives, they see it’s actually a band of men with torches. Another clever effect. That was indeed the [The 13th Warrior](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqK1_pm-3GQ). ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/117 "2021-12-12T20:13:29Z")
I agree. It’s entertaining, it’s funny, and Keanu Reeves puts in a surprisingly heartfelt performance as Shane Falco. Better than Scott Bakula’s performance in a similar role in “Necessary Roughness”, anyway. Another one that I always enjoy, but that is admittedly idiotic is “Biodome” with Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin. It’s one of those movies that’s SO idiotic that it somehow goes through the other side into almost being satirical commentary. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/118 "2021-12-12T22:32:44Z")
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer. Yes, just 34% on Rotten Tomatoes and _there may have been some historical inaccuracies_ but a good twist with lots of splatter. A good backstory, character development, and more splatter. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/119 "2021-12-12T23:02:04Z")
> [@TimfromNapa](#): > > Should have said “Mystery Men”, Ooh, I liked it too! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guilty-pleasures-movies-you-like-but-are-were-widely-panned-as-a-bad-movie/955884/120 "2021-12-12T23:07:19Z")
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