# Gulf Oil Spill: Joe Barton's "Shakedown" Comment, Obama F'ing Up Again **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 26, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626 "2010-06-26T21:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/41 "2010-06-27T00:05:06Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > I don’t blame you for voting for Obama, many were fooled into thinking he was different from the typical politician. You should come over to my side, not the libertarian side, but the side that realizes that there is virtually zero difference between Republicans and Democrats. Our government is broken and the system needs to be overhauled. How, exactly? E.g., could you name a country whose system you consider a good example for the U.S. to emulate? What do you think we need? Campaign-finance reform? Proportional representation? Parliamentary government? ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/42 "2010-06-27T00:11:39Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Some Americans were offended by Exxon taking decades before they paid for Valdez . They kept going to court until they got a deal for 10 percent of original court awarded damages. The gulf is much more in your face than an Alaskan bay. The fisherman and businessmen actually made the daily news stories this time. BP had to do something to stem the growing hatred. When Obama suggested a fund to give immediate help ,BP agreed because it was in their best interests. The President has no authority to force them to pay a small part of the damages upfront. It was the right thing to do. They could figure it out. Sorry some other people don’t get it. That’s a nice sentiment, but there is a bigger issue here. Can’t you see that those of us who defend the Constitution and the rule of law are not defending BP? If you say, well its the right thing to do in this case, it sets a bad precedent. Even so as I said earlier, what gives you confidence in the governments ability to justly distribute this money to the people who have been legitimately hurt by this crisis? If you think they will do a good job with that, then you certainly have much more faith in government than I do. Secondly, the damages go way beyond twenty million. What happens next? With they continue to extract money endlessly? Will they bypass the courts entirely? Gonzomax, I would hope you would have a little more respect for the rule of law than what your post indicates. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/43 "2010-06-27T00:22:20Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Jindal’s a bounder and a cad. He refuses to use federal help, and then whines about how ‘his’ state is suffering: > [Jindal Leaving National Guard Idle:](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/24/eveningnews/main6615414.shtml) > The dude needs to be de-elected, badly. Instead, the party of BP will probably run him for president come 2012. So you think he is so callous as to not want to protect his state from the effects of the oil spill? I don’t like Bobby Jindal either, but he, as well as many others wanted to and could have built barriers to protect the coastline, but did not get permission in time. Are you going to be so partisan as to deny reality? From ABC News: \*\*As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way. Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way. Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands. Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he’s said he’ll build them even if it sends him to jail. “We’ve been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast,” Jindal said. Jindal Calls for More Help Jindal warned that the state’s entire shoreline could end up polluted with black sludge if he doesn’t get more help, immediately. “It is clear we don’t have the resources we need to protect our coast,” the Republican said. “We need more boom, more skimmers, more vacuums, more jack-up barges that are still in short supply. Let’s be clear: Every day that this oil sits is one more day that more of our marsh dies.” \*\* There are Republican and Democrat politicians of Gulf states who are going through the same things with the lackluster support, and active obstruction, from Washington. Put down the partisan bullshit for a change. You want to play partisan games while this oil devastates the Gulf and destroys our beaches? So much of this could have been prevented or the effects mitigated if Obama and Washington responded early and provided proper assistance. As to “the party of BP”, quit the fucking bullshit. The Democrats are the party of BP too. BP supports Cap and Trade. [http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article209369.ece?WT.mc\_id=rechargenews\_rss](http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article209369.ece?WT.mc_id=rechargenews_rss) You’re not even living in reality man. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/44 "2010-06-27T00:23:39Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > And, as far as I know, liberals such as yourself want reasonable regulations on the free market, not government ownership of industry and intervening in market on every whim. I hope you don’t believe that. You are confusing “major economic disaster” with “whim”. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > We’ve been through this before. You’re general fear of freedom seems to me to be based on false history taught about the evils of the “unfettered” free market based on made up tales of horror and suffering at the hands of evil businessmen, who were seeking “profit” (horrors!). Never mind that in a free market, businesses seek profit by provided goods and services that consumers want and add to society as a whole and boosts everyones standard of living. Garbage. In an unfettered free market, society degenerates to neofeudalism or an outright slave state. Wealth become concentrated in the hands of a few, the general population become impoverished and powerless. The primary function of the government becomes to prevent a rebellion by the people; far from being about freedom, libertarianism is as anti-freedom as any fascist or communist regime. As well, pollution and disasters become the norm as safety and the environment are ignored in the name of profit. And no, I’m not against profit; but I don’t regard it as some sort of holy icon, either. The same goes for property rights, another libertarian bugaboo. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > By the way, what “consequences” are you talking about from small business owners and entrepreneurs having access to the gulf and seeing if they can solve the leak or clean up the oil? Making matters worse, and sucking up money that might actually solve the problem. Deliberately prolonging the disaster in order to profit from it more. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > Yeah, ecological devastation, as opposed to what we have now. This is an aberration; an unrestricted free market would see this sort of disaster as the norm. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > Yet, instead of considering a compelling alternative, you cling to these horror stories about how it would be even worse if we trusted freedom. Handing all money and power over to the wealthy and removing all restraint from them is plutocracy, not freedom. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > Every businessman started out looks to make a living and do well, right? What is wrong with that? Does he do well by selling poisonous foods, treating his employees badly and not providing good customer service? Of course not. Of course he does. We know, because that and worse is exactly what they have done whenever they could get away with it. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > Oil is a cartel that has captured government to kill off competitors and protect its own profits. Which is the free market in action. The strong crush the weak by any means available. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > When businesses turn tyrannical for real, is when they capture the market by capturing the government. That is the problem. By forcing free markets to exist in the energy market, we take power _away_ from the oil companies and give it to the small businesses and alternatives fuel makers. No; the bigger companies would crush or take over the little ones. Monopolies are the natural end state of a free market. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > First, you don’t know how bad McCain/Palin would be. I am sure they would have been pretty bad, but I doubt anyone could be worse than Obama has been so far. Of course they could; and we’d be in less of a position to do anything about it because we’d be in a second Great Depression. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > I don’t blame you for voting for Obama, many were fooled into thinking he was different from the typical politician. You should come over to my side, not the libertarian side, but the side that realizes that there is virtually zero difference between Republicans and Democrats. There’s plenty of difference. The Democrats are corrupt, cowardly scum; the Republicans are outright fools, morons, bigots, thugs and lunatics. Since in practical terms those are my only two choices, I vote for the scum every time. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > But seriously, forget this dude. It is over for Obama. I don’t see how in hell he is going to recover. I wonder how it feels to be president when the entire country falls apart. It feels like being Bush. Obama is what it feels like to inherit the debris. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/45 "2010-06-27T00:24:41Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > That’s a nice sentiment, but there is a bigger issue here. Can’t you see that those of us who defend the Constitution and the rule of law are not defending BP? If you say, well its the right thing to do in this case, it sets a bad precedent. You aren’t defending the constitution. You’re defending your misunderstanding of the constitution. Obama understands constitutional issues more than you ever will. > [@](#): > > Even so as I said earlier, what gives you confidence in the governments ability to justly distribute this money to the people who have been legitimately hurt by this crisis? If you think they will do a good job with that, then you certainly have much more faith in government than I do. Who do you think runs the courts? Also, it is a third party that will distribute the money. > [@](#): > > Secondly, the damages go way beyond twenty million. What happens next? With they continue to extract money endlessly? Will they bypass the courts entirely? Yes. Although at the rate they’ve been paying out it is unlikely to come out to more than 20 billion for damages. > [@](#): > > Gonzomax, I would hope you would have a little more respect for the rule of law than what your post indicates. I would think you’d have respect for people who understand the situation better than you do. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/46 "2010-06-27T00:26:09Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > You’re not even living in reality man. Quote of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/47 "2010-06-27T00:26:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Heh-heh. Yes. Yes, it will. 😃 > > – BrainGlutton, Esq. My son-in-law is in law school now, and he has been taking some classes on maritime law. Settle this early and you’re going to be taking bread from his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/48 "2010-06-27T00:31:26Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s flatly amazing how uninformed you are. You’re going to have to elaborate on that if you want to be taken seriously. Every single thing in that paragraph is true and verifiable. > [@](#): > > Wrong again. Letting every nutjob on the ocean for their own clean up endeavor would be a waste of time. Perhaps you don’t understand how big the spill area is. Some asshole with a centrifuge to spin off oil isn’t going to make the a dent in the area. There are finite resources. They have to be marshaled in an intelligent way, not throwing open a free-for-all where everyone does their own thing. > > This is a perfect example of the simplicity of libertarian thought. The world is a cartoon, complex details will sort themselves out, just let it ride. I didn’t say they shouldn’t be organized efficiently or “marshalled”, as you say. But there are literal hundreds of entrepreneurs and businessmen and engineers who are skilled and know how to deal with oil spills yet they are turned away. BP has had a crack at it, maybe we could let a few other people have a shot? As to that crack a libertarian thought, you need to read a bit more before you can claim to really understand libertarian philosophy. I have read volumes of books on freedom and economics and the workings of the free market. What have you read? To take a condescending tone with me, your solution must be working out great. Yet it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/49 "2010-06-27T00:36:51Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This is what liberal ‘debate’ has turned into on this board: > > Paraphrasing the responses, in order: > > 1. Non-Sequitur > 2. Tu Quoque fallacy ad-hominem attack. > 3. Reasonable question on one small part of the OP > 4. Third-party snark > 5. Reasonable response to one small part of OP > 6. Bush was worse, libertarians like scam artists, libertarians would destroy the environment, McCain/Palin would have been worse. Offered without any evidence. > 7. Gonzomax: A decent response. It may not have been a shakedown, it may be a mutually beneficial deal that Obama negotiated without threat of force. We don’t know. > 8. Shot at Bobby Jindal instead of the points in the OP. > 9. ad-hominem shot at OP, cheap shot at libertarians. > > So, out of 8 responses so far, we have one reasonable point, two partial responses to part of the OP. The rest is snark, cheap shots, and personal attacks. No one has addressed most of the factual points in the OP. > > Seems about par for the course. You pretty much nailed it. That is not uncommon however. Many people lack decent debate skills. I think the real issue is that it is becoming harder and harder to defend Obama with every passing month. People especially hate it when you are a third party advocate so they can’t pigeonhole you into the classical left right paradigm that people are so comfortable with. Essentially, people can’t deal with someone who doesn’t like Bush AND Obama. They don’t know how to react. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/50 "2010-06-27T00:40:33Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > People especially hate it when you are a third party advocate so they can’t pigeonhole you into the classical left right paradigm that people are so comfortable with. Essentially, people can’t deal with someone who doesn’t like Bush AND Obama. They don’t know how to react. :rolleyes: People “know how to react” just fine. We just don’t agree with you; hard as it seems to be for libertarians to understand, many people understand libertarianism just fine and consider it to be unworkable, foolish or outright evil. “Understand” and “agree” are not synonyms. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/51 "2010-06-27T00:41:45Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Well, the OP was full of utter rubbish. That you thought it was really compelling rubbish is clear. But why do you expect more out of the responses than the OP could be bothered to put in? Rubbish? I have plenty of facts to back up that rubbish. And no, so far I don’t think many have put as much effort into responding as I did in posting the OP. Give it a good shot, if you want. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/52 "2010-06-27T00:43:43Z")
> [@Max\_the\_Immortal](#): > > When you capitalize Free Market and Free Enterprise like that, it comes across a lot like religious belief. This is not a very serious post. If you are not going to add anything constructive, don’t even bother. If you want to respond in an intelligent way, you can try again. Just don’t waste my time. ---
**Author:** ![jrodefeld](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jrodefeld](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrodefeld)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/53 "2010-06-27T00:50:29Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You appear to be simultaneously complaining that he isn’t doing anything, and that he is doing something. No, there are things Obama can do. I don’t expect the Federal Government to know how to plug a leak. But, like I have said, they can provide assistance to the locals, lift red tape and permit requirements and provide leadership. This qualifies as a national emergency. They have to stay within the law however. In a case like this, time is of the essence. Quick action is required. The window of opportunity to mitigate the disastrous effects of this spill is gone. Obama missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/54 "2010-06-27T01:02:05Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > I have read volumes of books on freedom and economics and the workings of the free market. What have you read? To take a condescending tone with me, your solution must be working out great. Yet it isn’t. I don’t doubt you’ve read stuff. I do doubt you understood it. As for “my solution” it is probably working as well as anything is likely to. You can’t have a bunch of guys flying off half cocked. There are thousands of boats in the effort, do you really think the effects are scaling linearly with number? Think of the different elements that need to be managed: Available boom, boom that needs to be fixed, fuel for the boats, trained crews for the burn-offs, currents, weather reports, scientific survey ships, beach cleanups and the people available to do them. You need to not have people standing around to pick up three pieces of tar. You need to wait until the beach is worth people going to. It’s complex. They are doing it as fast as they can with the resources that are available. Some yahoo with a bullshit centrifuge is worthless. This isn’t a slick pouring out of a ship, it’s gigantic and low density. So the people who are whining about bullshit skimmers don’t understand the issue. As an aside, the berms Jindal wants to build won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/55 "2010-06-27T01:50:38Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > No, there are things Obama can do. I don’t expect the Federal Government to know how to plug a leak. But, like I have said, they can provide assistance to the locals, lift red tape and permit requirements and provide leadership. This qualifies as a national emergency. They have to stay within the law however. > > In a case like this, time is of the essence. Quick action is required. The window of opportunity to mitigate the disastrous effects of this spill is gone. Obama missed it. Not remotely true. The best thing Obama could have done was prevent the gulf from becoming an Exxon Valdez mistake with people waiting decades to get help. He got BP to pay 20 bill up front to give the people immediate help. It was an important move. Then he got an intermediary to monitor the payouts. He does have to take time to make sure con artists don’t take advantage. Just throwing money at it would have resulted in thieves taking advantage. It was less than 60 days when he got the fund started. The Valdez was over 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/56 "2010-06-27T01:54:10Z")
Obama also sent 17,000 National Guard troops to help with the cleanup. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/57 "2010-06-27T02:00:48Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Obama also sent 17,000 National Guard troops to help with the cleanup. Troops which Bobby “Why Won’t Obama DO Something?!” Jindal hasn’t even come close to deploying in full. Or even in half. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/58 "2010-06-27T03:35:54Z")
But to do what? What are National Guard troops trained to do that might be useful in this situation? There are no riots to control, just a slowly growing cloud of dead water. Are they trained to clean the Very, Very Brown Pelican, or the Oily Egret? Is there some labor intensive approach to removing oil from marsh lands? If evaporating oil represents some sort of toxic hazard, have we ten thousand respirators to deploy? Or are we willing to risk their health in a futile display of Doing Something? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/59 "2010-06-27T04:16:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This is what liberal ‘debate’ has turned into on this board: …Seems about par for the course. Well, thats because conservative views cannot get a fair hearing on a liberal msg board, where intelligent conservative views are shouted down. Alas! ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626/60 "2010-06-27T04:34:57Z")
> [@jrodefeld](#): > > But, like I have said, they can provide assistance to the locals, lift red tape and permit requirements and provide leadership. This qualifies as a national emergency. They have to stay within the law however. So they should ignore the laws and lift permit requirements…as long as they stay within the law. Good plan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-oil-spill-joe-bartons-shakedown-comment-obama-fing-up-again/544626.md?page=4)