# Gulf War 3 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100 "2020-01-08T01:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/61 "2020-01-08T15:22:37Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I have a suspicious mind. A Ukrainian Airlines flight crashes shortly after leaving Tehran. Containing all the documentation of the Bidens’ Ukraine corruption. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/62 "2020-01-08T15:37:26Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > (one side so they could have one, the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump) Which side is the one which expects war because Trump is like a five-year-old with very dangerous toys? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/63 "2020-01-08T15:40:34Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Which side is the one which expects war because Trump is like a five-year-old with very dangerous toys? _raises hand_ Should we start a poll? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/64 "2020-01-08T15:41:06Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > … the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump… No, that’s not it, but thanks for that short-sighted bit of snark. There are already plenty of reasons to hate him. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/65 "2020-01-08T15:47:29Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Cooler heads will prevail and we’ll continue being advisories. Is that before or after Trump’s pre-planned attack on 52 Iranian locations? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/66 "2020-01-08T15:48:12Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Which side is the one which expects war because Trump is like a five-year-old with very dangerous toys? And yet three years in he hasn’t. So I’d guess it’s whatever side you’re on. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/67 "2020-01-08T15:48:49Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I know many wanted Trump to get us into a war (one side so they could have one, the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump) but it isn’t going to happen. You say this with the assured confidence of a person enjoying the benefit of knowledge that Trump hasn’t started one. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/68 "2020-01-08T15:53:07Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > This. > > This Gulf War 3 thread is big bag of hyperbole. > > Iran probably went over the line with the attack on the embassy. Trump probably went over the line with the killing of Qasem Soleimani. Iran retaliated by destroying a helo, a tent and damaging a runway. Cooler heads will prevail and we’ll continue being advisories. > > I know many wanted Trump to get us into a war (one side so they could have one, the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump) but it isn’t going to happen. Lol, no, I’m not wanting for people to die so I have another reason to hate Trump. And people who defend Trump tend to have their asses handed to them… by Trump. Things may appear to be ‘calmer’ this morning, but that doesn’t change the fact a childish narcissist assassinated a government figure with the entire globe aware that he did so, nor does it change the fact that the perception of American power as a _benign_ force may very well be gone even among our allies (and has never been seen as benign by a significant fraction of the globe). Naw, there’s no hyperbole here. Even if this doesn’t blow up and this thread, God forbid (:rolleyes:), should end after 7 pages because Trump’s strategy worked to a degree, the events of this year have _not_ made America or Americans safer. On the other hand, the odds are good this isn’t over - right now, it’s WAY too soon to say ‘it’s over’, not with Trump at the helm. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/69 "2020-01-08T15:59:18Z")
> [@harmonicamoon](#): > > Was nice to wake up and discover the world was not on fire. Thanks Trump. For not over reacting. YET … For not overreacting YET. The right wing propaganda machine is already in full swing. The Iranian attack was couched in the terms of being a totally unprovoked act of aggression on their part when, in reality, it was in response to a totally unprovoked act of aggression on OUR part. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/70 "2020-01-08T16:08:53Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > YET … For not overreacting YET. > > The right wing propaganda machine is already in full swing. The Iranian attack was couched in the terms of being a totally unprovoked act of aggression on their part when, in reality, it was in response to a totally unprovoked act of aggression on OUR part. The top Fox news story is “Commander in chief will address nation after Iran attacks US military for hit on terror general” ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/71 "2020-01-08T16:35:45Z")
I have to wonder where Russia is in all this. They’re Iran’s ally, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/72 "2020-01-08T16:37:45Z")
So, not too sure what’s going on with Trump’s breathing, but if I sounded like that I would hope someone would ask after my health. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/73 "2020-01-08T16:42:35Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I know many wanted Trump to get us into a war (one side so they could have one, the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump) but it isn’t going to happen. 15 years ago, during the worst of Iraq’s post war chaos and violence, I can imagine a younger **spifflog** blaming anti-Iraq war protesters of hoping for this result as the false promises and bedlam aids in their TRUE goal of hating Bush. It seems to be part of “the playbook.” 1. Engage in mindless violence. 2. Repercussions predictably arise. 3. Blame detractors for acknowledging repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/74 "2020-01-08T16:44:42Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > … > I know many wanted Trump to get us into a war (one side so they could have one, the other so they could have another reason to hate Trump) but it isn’t going to happen. This is like, “A lot of good people on both sides.” I do not know and do not assert that conservatives/Repubs “want” a war. But this EXTREMELY liberal Dem can’t imagine any folk thinking similarly to me who “want” a war for another reason to hate Trump. Hell - we have enough reasons, and we detest him as much as we can detest just about any human. Not sure I COULD hate him any more. Far too many liberals/Dems supported the Iraqi invasion - which I considered inexcusable, both on behalf of the admin and the supporters. But I haven’t heard ANYONE anywhere on the liberal end of the continuum who does anything other than abhor the prospect of wasting lives and $ on an unnecessary Iran war. Hell, my understanding was that most libs (and many conservs) wished we stayed in the nuke pact. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/75 "2020-01-08T16:51:24Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > This is like, “A lot of good people on both sides.” > > I do not know and do not assert that conservatives/Repubs “want” a war. > > But this EXTREMELY liberal Dem can’t imagine any folk thinking similarly to me who “want” a war for another reason to hate Trump. Hell - we have enough reasons, and we detest him as much as we can detest just about any human. Not sure I COULD hate him any more. > > Far too many liberals/Dems supported the Iraqi invasion - which I considered inexcusable, both on behalf of the admin and the supporters. But I haven’t heard ANYONE anywhere on the liberal end of the continuum who does anything other than abhor the prospect of wasting lives and $ on an unnecessary Iran war. Hell, my understanding was that most libs (and many conservs) wished we stayed in the nuke pact. :rolleyes: Well, a big war with Iran will likely give Trump’s eventual Democratic challenger - whoever he or she may be - a big boost come November time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/76 "2020-01-08T16:52:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, not too sure what’s going on with Trump’s breathing, but if I sounded like that I would hope someone would ask after my health. Trump in in _perfect_ health. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/77 "2020-01-08T17:02:39Z")
It sounds like Trump is staying on his queue cards this morning and not escalating things. I’m very happy to hear that somehow somebody got through to this moron. At least for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/78 "2020-01-08T17:03:11Z")
Did anyone notice that Donald 1. Was out of breath 2. An aide took away the folder at 11 am and came back with a different one 15 minutes later. Was initially a much harder line planned? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/79 "2020-01-08T17:06:52Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Well, a big war with Iran will likely give Trump’s eventual Democratic challenger - whoever he or she may be - a big boost come November time. Has an incumbent President ever lost an election in the midst of war? Not that I’m aware of. I think that’s why Trump is doing this, because he thinks it will secure his reelection. It pains me to say this, but he may be right. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/80 "2020-01-08T17:17:28Z")
By the way, that should have been cue cards not queue cards. I’m doing a lecture on stacks and queues on next week so I guess it was on my mind. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100.md?page=5)