# Gulf War 3 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100 "2020-01-08T01:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/81 "2020-01-08T17:20:00Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Did anyone notice that Donald > > 1. Was out of breath > 2. An aide took away the folder at 11 am and came back with a different one 15 minutes later. > > Was initially a much harder line planned? Font was too small. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/82 "2020-01-08T17:24:25Z")
For those who didn’t see it, no American deaths reported. Mr. President says he’s backing down (or rather, that Iran backed down by launching such a weak attack). ETA: Does anyone know if there were Iraqi or coalition casualties? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/83 "2020-01-08T17:28:39Z")
Despite Hussein Obama’s financial support for Iran’s terrorism and nuclear weapon program, McConnell has not scheduled a vote for his impeachment. Really, no one knows how these internet rumors get started. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/84 "2020-01-08T17:34:17Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Has an incumbent President ever lost an election in the midst of war? Not that I’m aware of. Truman (Korea) and LBJ (Vietnam) thought so little of their chances they dropped out. GHW Bush lost while Desert Storm was barely cold. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/85 "2020-01-08T17:41:16Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Did anyone notice that Donald > > 1. Was out of breath > 2. An aide took away the folder at 11 am and came back with a different one 15 minutes later. The original folder contained Eric’s Yogi Bear poster. When KellyAnne realized Donald grabbed the wrong one, there was a zig-zagging relay race across the West Wing between staffers to get the correct folder to Donald in time. I believe, although it hasn’t been confirmed, [the William Tell Overture was playing in the background](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j92M9-c0GtA). ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/86 "2020-01-08T18:02:12Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 1. Was out of breath I wouldn’t say “out of breath,” but he was doing that weird sniffle thing that he does during many of his major performances, like State of the Union or the Clinton debates. I’m wondering if he does a line of coke or something before he goes on stage… Something that the White House physician probably needs to look into: “He’s got his coke habit TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL! He’s going to be doing lines for ANOTHER 50 YEARS!” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/87 "2020-01-08T18:13:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Well, a big war with Iran will likely give Trump’s eventual Democratic challenger - whoever he or she may be - a big boost come November time. EVEN if this is true, I have NOT heard a hint of any Dems/liberals say as much. I suspect you should be able to dig up someone trolling as much somewhere on the net. And, as **Blaron** says, starting a war seems to generally be one of the surest ways for a President to get a bump in the pools. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/88 "2020-01-08T18:35:33Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > His “All is well” tweet makes me think he had some knowledge that we’re not privy to, perhaps even in advance of the actual “attack.” He just doesn’t know how to play his cards, and he telegraphs \*way \*sooner than he should. No person in their right mind would tweet out “All is well” less than three hours after missiles hit a base where American soldiers live, unless he knew, for a fucking fact, that it was a nothingburder. He’s just too stupid to even play along to make the ‘tit for tat’ look legit. I think you nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/89 "2020-01-08T19:15:57Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I think you nailed it. It’s just another act in Trump’s dog-and-pony show. He’s always done this kind of crap, in one form or another. He shits on the carpet or chews up the sofa, and then after his butt-licking lackeys clean up after him, he says, “Look! I saved the day!”, and his dumb-ass supporters believe it. For three years we’ve been going through this endless cycle of pointless distractions, while nothing positive otherwise gets done–in fact, Trump’s swap-dweller administration just exploits it to screw the nation while no one notices. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/90 "2020-01-08T20:11:32Z")
[quote=“RickJay, post:48, topic:846100”] nm ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/91 "2020-01-08T20:16:57Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Iran probably went over the line with the attack on the embassy. Trump probably went over the line with the killing of Qasem Soleimani. Iran retaliated by destroying a helo, a tent and damaging a runway. Cooler heads will prevail and we’ll continue being advisories. Dammit, I _liked_ that tent! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/92 "2020-01-08T20:32:20Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’m wondering if he does a line of coke or something before he goes on stage… > > Something that the White House physician probably needs to look into: “He’s got his coke habit TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL! He’s going to be doing lines for ANOTHER 50 YEARS!” FDR’s physician gave him cocaine for a cold before his Pearl Harbor speech. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/93 "2020-01-08T22:34:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > If 2), your entire country is insane, not just Trump. We love war. We’ve been in perpetual war for 20 years now, it creates jobs and gives people on cable news something to talk about. Trump knows that we never consider a president great until he has fought a war. He’ll get his. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/94 "2020-01-08T22:47:37Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I wouldn’t say “out of breath,” but he was doing that weird sniffle thing that he does during many of his major performances, like State of the Union or the Clinton debates. I’m wondering if he does a line of coke or something before he goes on stage… > > Something that the White House physician probably needs to look into: “He’s got his coke habit TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL! He’s going to be doing lines for ANOTHER 50 YEARS!” It’s just a bad habit and easy to get into when speaking publicly. One has to both breathe and speak forcefully. You speak forcefully and then take a deep breath because you were holding your breath as you spoke. Then you get out of breath, so you breathe harder at pauses, and it causes a cycle that makes it worse. Being overweight doesn’t help. Normally it doesn’t happen because you give a 10 to 15 second statement and then listen while another responds. When you are on the spot and know you have to keep speaking, the anxiety makes you breathe harder. You learn to to breathe while speaking, maybe pausing to catch your breath and pretend to look at notes if you need to do so. I’ll admit that Trump doesn’t take advice well, but this very common for public speakers. This nonsense of doing a line of coke is just a cheap shot. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/95 "2020-01-08T22:53:21Z")
Care to name other poor public speakers who have his same affliction? ETA: And I don’t think a cheap shot at Trump is possible. But you probably think calling him a liar is a cheap shot, regardless of the 13,000 fibs he’s told. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/96 "2020-01-08T23:01:17Z")
15,000. Your numbers are two months out of date. > **[Analysis | President Trump has made 15,413 false or misleading claims over...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/)** > > The impeachment probe over the president's Ukraine doings has led to an explosion of false and misleading claims. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/97 "2020-01-08T23:36:37Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > It’s just a bad habit and easy to get into when speaking publicly. One has to both breathe and speak forcefully. You speak forcefully and then take a deep breath because you were holding your breath as you spoke. Then you get out of breath, so you breathe harder at pauses, and it causes a cycle that makes it worse. Being overweight doesn’t help. > > Normally it doesn’t happen because you give a 10 to 15 second statement and then listen while another responds. When you are on the spot and know you have to keep speaking, the anxiety makes you breathe harder. > > You learn to to breathe while speaking, maybe pausing to catch your breath and pretend to look at notes if you need to do so. I’ll admit that Trump doesn’t take advice well, but this very common for public speakers. This nonsense of doing a line of coke is just a cheap shot. bullshit - He only does this to this degree when he’s clearly reading ‘prepared’ remarks that he has no idea what he is about to say and is completely unfamilar with the topic at hand. He doesn’t do it quite as bad during his un-scripted bullshit sessions. Secondly - anyone that has been speaking in public for any period of time knows how NOT to do what you describe - new speakers - sure - experienced - no. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/98 "2020-01-09T04:50:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, not too sure what’s going on with Trump’s breathing, but if I sounded like that I would hope someone would ask after my health. > [@Ravenman](#): > > I wouldn’t say “out of breath,” but he was doing that weird sniffle thing that he does during many of his major performances, like State of the Union or the Clinton debates. I’m wondering if he does a line of coke or something before he goes on stage… > > Something that the White House physician probably needs to look into: “He’s got his coke habit TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL! He’s going to be doing lines for ANOTHER 50 YEARS!” Snorting Adderall, actually. Or, so say rumors going back years. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/99 "2020-01-09T05:25:49Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Care to name other poor public speakers who have his same affliction? > > ETA: And I don’t think a cheap shot at Trump is possible. But you probably think calling him a liar is a cheap shot, regardless of the 13,000 fibs he’s told. Also, it relies on the idea that Trump is somehow new to public speaking, when in fact his previous career is reality TV show host (and failed real estate developer). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/100 "2020-01-09T14:40:26Z")
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