# Gulf War 3 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100 "2020-01-08T01:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/101 "2020-01-09T15:56:17Z")
> [@simster](#): > > bullshit - > > He only does this to this degree when he’s clearly reading ‘prepared’ remarks that he has no idea what he is about to say and is completely unfamilar with the topic at hand. > > He doesn’t do it quite as bad during his un-scripted bullshit sessions. Plus during the debates, don’t forget. It isn’t about reading scripted remarks. The sniffles seem to hit when there are events that he’s on center stage in situations be clearly isn’t comfortable in, which obviously doesn’t include his freewheeling sessions where he can make up lies to thousands of supporters who eat up all his bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![MarvinKitFox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MarvinKitFox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarvinKitFox)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/102 "2020-01-09T16:53:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump will respond – it’s inevitable. As I’ve said, he has to. He can’t look weak. This is his Gulf of Tonkin moment. Exactly. You DO know the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a False Flag, orchestrated by the us government? Johnson had his “Gulf of Tonkin incident”… fake, led to vietnam war, which US lost Bush had his Iraq “Weapons of Mass Destruction”… fake manufacured by cia, led to the (ahem) wonderful successes in Iraq Trump has his “Qassim solemanim preparing terror strikes” fake. wonder where it will lead to? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/103 "2020-01-09T17:19:34Z")
> [@MarvinKitFox](#): > > Exactly. > > You DO know the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a False Flag, orchestrated by the us government? > > . . . > > Trump has his “Qassim solemanim preparing terror strikes” fake. > wonder where it will lead to? Based on the last 24 hours, I’d put my money on “nothingburger.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/104 "2020-01-09T17:24:55Z")
[This ain’t over.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-news-iranian-commander-vows-harsher-revenge-today-tehran-residents-sigh-relief-trump-2020-01-09/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/105 "2020-01-09T17:59:39Z")
The US is declaring that an Iranian missile brought down the passenger jet by mistake. Even if that is true, it’s so damn insensitive to bring that information out now, from an American source, that I can’t see it helping the overall situation. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/106 "2020-01-09T18:12:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Dammit, I _liked_ that tent! That tent was just two days from retirement! ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/107 "2020-01-09T18:18:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [This ain’t over.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-news-iranian-commander-vows-harsher-revenge-today-tehran-residents-sigh-relief-trump-2020-01-09/) I’m not sure what “this ain’t over” means. “This” has been ongoing since 1979 though seven administrations. So yeah, it still “ain’t over” now, Trump or no Trump. But that’s all for now. Everyone flexed muscle, everyone can claim the upper hand, and now everyone is going home. Hell, from your article: "The messages show that the U.S. can’t afford to let its guard down, but they also highlight continued deep divisions inside Iranian society. Iran’s political leaders said Wednesday that the Islamic Republic had “concluded” its response to America’s targeted killing of a top Iranian general. "CBS News senior foreign correspondent Elizabeth Palmer says that while Iran’s military commanders are vowing to fight on, with the goal of getting U.S. forces to leave the region, the headline in Tehran on Thursday was that — in the short term — the Americans aren’t planning another military strike. Not sure what bigger sign you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/108 "2020-01-09T18:19:28Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > The US is declaring that an Iranian missile brought down the passenger jet by mistake. > > Even if that is true, it’s so damn insensitive to bring that information out now, from an American source, that I can’t see it helping the overall situation. The US also said that the assassination prevented an imminent attack and that Soleimani was involved with the September 11th attack. So, if they happen to be right here, it would be pure coincidence. Any statements from this administration are orthogonal to true/false, and if they happen to be true, it’s just a roll of the dice. I wouldn’t bet my 409k on it, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/109 "2020-01-09T19:13:25Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I’m not sure what “this ain’t over” means. Trump: Iran appears to be standing down. Iran: No, we’re not. QED ---
**Author:** ![MarvinKitFox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MarvinKitFox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarvinKitFox)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/110 "2020-01-09T20:54:41Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I’m not sure what “this ain’t over” means. “This” has been ongoing since 1979 though seven administrations. So yeah, it still “ain’t over” now, Trump or no Trump. No, “this” has been ongoing since operation Ajax, in 1953, where the US led a coup in Iran, overthrowing the democratically elected president in favor of a dictatorial monarchy. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/111 "2020-01-09T21:11:15Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > The US is declaring that an Iranian missile brought down the passenger jet by mistake. > > Even if that is true, it’s so damn insensitive to bring that information out now, from an American source, that I can’t see it helping the overall situation. Plus, we once shot down an Iranian airliner, so you’d think we’d just kind of shut up. Glass houses and all. > **[Iran Air Flight 655](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655)** > > Iraqi invasion of Iran (1980) > Stalemate (1981) > Iranian offensives to free Iranian territory (1981–82) ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/112 "2020-01-09T21:37:02Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Plus, we once shot down an Iranian airliner, so you’d think we’d just kind of shut up. Glass houses and all. > [Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655) I know that Trump’s an easy target that we all love to kick, but what did he say that was so bad? The airliner went down at a time of violence between the US and Iran, you’d expect the US to make _some_ comment that the U.S wasn’t responsible, right? Here what I have seen that he’s said: “It was flying in a pretty rough neighborhood, someone could have made a mistake. I have a feeling that — it’s just some very terrible, something very terrible happened, very devastating.” “Well, I have my suspicions. I don’t want to say that, because other people have those suspicions also … Somebody could’ve made a mistake on the other side,” Trump said about the Ukrainian plane. “Some people say it was mechanical. Personally, I don’t think that’s even a question.” What am I missing? Did he say something else? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/113 "2020-01-09T21:38:16Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I know that Trump’s an easy target that we all love to kick, but what did he say that was so bad? The airliner went down at a time of violence between the US and Iran, you’d expect the US to make _some_ comment that the U.S wasn’t responsible, right? > > Here what I have seen that he’s said: > > “It was flying in a pretty rough neighborhood, someone could have made a mistake. I have a feeling that — it’s just some very terrible, something very terrible happened, very devastating.” > > “Well, I have my suspicions. I don’t want to say that, because other people have those suspicions also … Somebody could’ve made a mistake on the other side,” Trump said about the Ukrainian plane. “Some people say it was mechanical. Personally, I don’t think that’s even a question.” > > What am I missing? Did he say something else? He could have shut up before “Well, I have my suspicions.” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/114 "2020-01-09T21:40:52Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > I know that Trump’s an easy target that we all love to kick, but what did he say that was so bad? Your concern for him is truly touching. We should all take a deep breath and make sure we don’t say or imply anything that might hurt a politician’s feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/115 "2020-01-09T21:42:34Z")
[Iranian SA-15 missile fragments found.](https://www.funker530.com/iranian-air-defense-ukrainian-passenger/?fbclid=IwAR0Bqvj19zT4FoLZKWpv7MoFFHKNbuBQffRW5blpGoduEtLDkW_nhJo7rtY) ---
**Author:** ![MarvinKitFox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MarvinKitFox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarvinKitFox)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/116 "2020-01-09T21:55:14Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Plus, we once shot down an Iranian airliner, so you’d think we’d just kind of shut up. Glass houses and all. > [Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655) What? There was NOTHING WRONG with shooting down flight 655 Any world-leading advanced Aegis cruiser can mistake a climbing Airbus a300 for a F15 diving to attack!! Besides, if shooting own flight 655 was wrong, then they would not have given Captain Rogers the Legion of Merit “for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer”, nor given the Air warfare director on duty that day a Navy Commendation Medal, right? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/117 "2020-01-09T22:34:38Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Your concern for him is truly touching. We should all take a deep breath and make sure we don’t say or imply anything that might hurt a politician’s feelings. I don’t give a rats ass for his feelings. But I wish this site would be more level. Everything Trump does isn’t wrong. Trump’s gooned up 90% of the time, and I wish that he hadn’t taken such a harsh action. But stating that the U.S. didn’t shoot down the airliner isn’t a bad thing. You’d expect him to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/118 "2020-01-09T23:30:04Z")
Oh noes! Why oh why can’t we just be more fair - I mean LEVEL - to Trump! Just think of how Javanka must feel! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/119 "2020-01-09T23:39:31Z")
This \*\*\*is \*\*\*an ignorance-fighting message board, right? If Trump is correct about an Iranian missile bringing down the 737, then facts are facts. That it comes from a guy like Trump wouldn’t make it any less true. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gulf-war-3-thread/846100/120 "2020-01-09T23:47:47Z")
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