# Gun Control At Work (Sorta) Just Happened To Myself **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 9, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152 "2020-01-09T00:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/21 "2020-01-09T22:21:42Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > I can’t speak for **Saint Cad** , but I interpreted that advice as being directed at 2004 you, not yesterday you. Ah. Whooshed myself I did. Ooops ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/22 "2020-01-09T22:32:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > does the law allow you to go to the range with your kids and shoot other people’s guns? I don’t think legally I am supposed to handle any firearms at all. If getting a range card requires a background check, then I guess I can’t. That makes me kinda angry. Fine, don’t let me own one. But I can’t just go to the range for an hour and shoot? > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Sorry to hear this. So did the agent confiscate your gun? And is there a chance they could charge you with providing false information on the 4473? I doubt it. I sure hope not! > [@Isamu](#): > > Can you give it to your 18 y/o son? No, he has to 21 to do anything in this country other than vote or kill or be killed for his nation. > [@GaryM](#): > > IANAL, but it sounds as if the OP is a “prohibited person” and is not allowed to own or handle any cartridge firearms. However, I believe that in some states he may be able to possess black powder firearms as they are considered “antique” and not covered by the 1968 GCA. I guess that’s what I am. > [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > I offer this as a serious alternative, archery. I am looking into the legality of owning a crossbow now. Don’t know much about them. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Same thing happened to a friend of mine 12 years ago. Wife was beating him up… scratching him, kicking him, throwing things at him, etc. He finally punched her. She called the police. When the police arrive they interviewed them separately. She said she never touched him. He was honest and said he hit her. He was convicted of DV and can no longer touch a firearm. Damn. That’s exactly almost what’s happened to me. I simply couldn’t believe it. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/23 "2020-01-09T23:13:26Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > No, he has to 21 to do anything in this country other than vote or kill or be killed for his nation. Many (most?) states allow gifting to family members. However, as he seems to reside in your home, it is a bit more troublesome to avoid. At best case it would need to be locked up and only accessible to him. > [@](#): > > I am looking into the legality of owning a crossbow now. Don’t know much about them. Crossbows, bows, and air guns are not firearms. Blackpowder is not outright forbidden, but a bit more murky, there are instances where it’s been challenged. In other words, not illegal, but could be a potential headache. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/24 "2020-01-09T23:26:22Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Many (most?) states allow gifting to family members. However, as he seems to reside in your home, it is a bit more troublesome to avoid. At best case it would need to be locked up and only accessible to him. You need to be 21 to own a handgun. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/25 "2020-01-09T23:27:57Z")
A scope and muzzle brake on a .22 handgun? That’s why I’m suspicious that this even happened. 😉 or :rolleyes: I can’t decide which. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/26 "2020-01-09T23:39:04Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > A scope and muzzle brake on a .22 handgun? That’s why I’m suspicious that this even happened. 😉 or :rolleyes: I can’t decide which. It’s a 22/45 that fires .22LR rounds. Why would putting a Sig Sauer Romeo scope on it matter? Those purchases were made seperately from the gun itself, and from different places online. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/27 "2020-01-10T00:04:31Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > You need to be 21 to own a handgun. To **purchase**. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/28 "2020-01-10T00:38:33Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > To **purchase**. [Ignorance fought](https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/may-individual-between-ages-18-and-21-years-age-acquire-handgun-unlicensed). > [@](#): > > An individual between 18 and 21 years of age may acquire a handgun from an unlicensed individual who resides in the same State, provided the person acquiring the handgun is not otherwise prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A Federal firearms licensee may not, however, sell or deliver a firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to a person the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is under 21 years of age. > > There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact the office of your State Attorney General for information on any such requirements. > > [18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1)] ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/29 "2020-01-10T02:07:59Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > It’s a 22/45 that fires .22LR rounds. Why would putting a Sig Sauer Romeo scope on it matter? Those purchases were made seperately from the gun itself, and from different places online. I know what it is. I always wanted that gun. I just think that the scope is a bit and the muzzle brake is more than a bit silly on it. But it’s your money. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/30 "2020-01-10T03:10:54Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I know what it is. I always wanted that gun. I just think that the scope is a bit and the muzzle brake is more than a bit silly on it. But it’s your money. There’s a few color combos on that thing. I really wanted the burnt orange with the oval vent-holes, but couldn’t find one as they were all sold and got the blue anodized one with the shiny silver bolt throughout so the chromed accessories accented that. And it WAS my money. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/31 "2020-01-10T03:12:10Z")
And that scope allows for hitting 5" dinner plates at 150 yards, which is why I bought it. And it makes a .22 look a little more legit than it is. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/32 "2020-01-10T03:13:44Z")
The one I wanted: [https://www.google.com/search?q=ruger+mark+iv+orange&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS813US813&sxsrf=ACYBGNS3mQ6l\_BA3cNa3tIi2OgZAWiOZsQ:1578625947853&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja\_Or2h\_jmAhWKXM0KHQ3bD04Q\_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1920&bih=1007#imgdii=A4rkAynLv6dw5M:&imgrc=E4cU80uE\_Z-wbM:](https://www.google.com/search?q=ruger+mark+iv+orange&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS813US813&sxsrf=ACYBGNS3mQ6l_BA3cNa3tIi2OgZAWiOZsQ:1578625947853&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja_Or2h_jmAhWKXM0KHQ3bD04Q_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1920&bih=1007#imgdii=A4rkAynLv6dw5M:&imgrc=E4cU80uE_Z-wbM:) The one I got (temporarily): [https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS813US813&biw=1920&bih=1007&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNSBbPlsc0\_6l1b-d9TzMls7POqOHQ%3A1578625951920&sa=1&ei=n-sXXqvfN9W4tQaTk72YCA&q=ruger+mark+iv+blue&oq=ruger+mark+iv+blue&gs\_l=img.3..0j0i8i30l2j0i24.51339.51937..52189...0.0..0.89.454.6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39.BtNBp3w5TU8&ved=0ahUKEwjrquP4h\_jmAhVVXM0KHZNJD4MQ4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=AtOI5-KdAsxrZM:](https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS813US813&biw=1920&bih=1007&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNSBbPlsc0_6l1b-d9TzMls7POqOHQ%3A1578625951920&sa=1&ei=n-sXXqvfN9W4tQaTk72YCA&q=ruger+mark+iv+blue&oq=ruger+mark+iv+blue&gs_l=img.3..0j0i8i30l2j0i24.51339.51937..52189...0.0..0.89.454.6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39.BtNBp3w5TU8&ved=0ahUKEwjrquP4h_jmAhVVXM0KHZNJD4MQ4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=AtOI5-KdAsxrZM:) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/33 "2020-01-10T04:45:00Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And that scope allows for hitting 5" dinner plates at 150 yards, which is why I bought it. And it makes a .22 look a little more legit than it is. At 150 yards won’t a plain old .22LR go through 3/4" plywood? Seems plenty legit to me, though I know most people think it’s a popgun. And if you can hit those plates at that distance you’re a better man than I am. I apologize for my snarky dismissal. But a muzzle brake? FTR, I never did much shooting, and I have a psych ward stay that probably would cause the ATF to visit me if I bought anything that goes bang. I’m stuck with airguns. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/34 "2020-01-10T05:19:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > You need to be 21 to own a handgun. Depends on the state. In my state an 18 year old can own a handgun. But per federal law cannot buy one from an FFL dealer. But if an unlicensed person sells or gives an 18/19/20 year old one, it is perfectly legal for them to have it. YMMV depending on the [state](https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/#federal). If the OP cannot possess a firearm, and the agent found them in possession of a firearm, why aren’t they being charged with a crime? ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/35 "2020-01-10T05:20:37Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And that scope allows for hitting 5" dinner plates at 150 yards, which is why I bought it. And it makes a .22 look a little more legit than it is. It’s a red dot sight, right? They are quite useful. Also I like your choice of the mark IV, a very stylish design and a better disassembly system than the previous models. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/36 "2020-01-10T05:42:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Ignorance fought](https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/may-individual-between-ages-18-and-21-years-age-acquire-handgun-unlicensed). That’s different, most states allow you to buy both long guns and handguns private party at 18, though some states are banning that now. I didn’t even mention that because I don’t know if it’s legal in OP’s state. [Referring specifically to this](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-parent-or-guardian-purchase-firearms-or-ammunition-gift-juvenile-less-18-years-age). You can gift your own child a long gun under 18, and a handgun in some (broad) circumstances. Most gun control proposals don’t touch family exchanges. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/37 "2020-01-10T15:06:32Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > That’s different, most states allow you to buy both long guns and handguns private party at 18, though some states are banning that now. I didn’t even mention that because I don’t know if it’s legal in OP’s state. > > [Referring specifically to this](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-parent-or-guardian-purchase-firearms-or-ammunition-gift-juvenile-less-18-years-age). You can gift your own child a long gun under 18, and a handgun in some (broad) circumstances. Most gun control proposals don’t touch family exchanges. My ignorance fought. I thought a person had to be 21 to own a handgun. The law to which I linked shows that I was incorrect. A person under 21 cannot buy a gun from a dealer, but under federal law s/he can obtain one from an unlicensed person. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/38 "2020-01-10T18:03:13Z")
Would you have been allowed to remove and keep the scope or other accessories? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/39 "2020-01-10T19:11:20Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > That’s what my friend said to me but I don’t think that me refusing to acknowledge the presence of a federal agent while in possession of a technically illegal firearm that he was there to confiscate would have ended well for me. I was thinking more of the stories where the poster tells the cop yeah I hit her. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152/40 "2020-01-10T20:56:39Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I was thinking more of the stories where the poster tells the cop yeah I hit her. Yeah the real problem for a lot of people is that they voluntarily confessed to a significant crime to the cops, then were convicted of the crime they confessed to. I’m not really sure why people think confessing to a major crime like domestic violence is a good idea, or what they expect to happen after the confession other than arrest and (attempt at) conviction, but the fact that people have talked themselves into something with lifelong consequences is, like you said, a good example of what talking to the police can do for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-at-work-sorta-just-happened-to-myself/846152.md?page=3)