# Gun control post mortem debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126 "2013-05-12T03:57:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/161 "2013-05-25T15:38:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I thought everyone did that. I think I have a stat around here about how 79.7 of the country’s 80 million gun owners flip out and shoot someone at least twice a week. It’s almost like cigarettes. The great majority of smokers do not get lung cancer. The great majority of gun owners do not shoot anyone. However, I do look on smoking a little less negatively than handgun ownership. Perhaps that’s because almost all smokers accept that there is a net risk rather than denying it. Someone could compare the risk of a criminal obtaining a gun from a law-abiding gun owner to the risk of second hand smoke. But, nowadays, most smokers are careful to limit second hand smoke exposure. I don’t see comparable care to prevent guns from being passed down from owner to owner to owner until someone is hurt (Damuri Ajashi exempted). ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/162 "2013-05-25T18:03:42Z")
You start with the irrational premise that guns are inherently a bad thing. I look forward to passing my guns on to someone else, who will use and appreciate them and contribute to the societal good of preventing criminal acts by his mere posession of them. And maybe, just maybe, if something goes bump in the night, he and his family will be safe. Beats the hell out of screaming like a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/163 "2013-05-25T18:52:52Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > You start with the irrational premise that guns are inherently a bad thing. > > I look forward to passing my guns on to someone else, who will use and appreciate them and contribute to the societal good of preventing criminal acts by his mere posession of them. And maybe, just maybe, if something goes bump in the night, he and his family will be safe. Beats the hell out of screaming like a girl. Shooting at “bumps in the night” coupled with just a bit of misogyny. Is this the type of post gun law advocates should emulate to garner respect from those opposed to such laws? Is this the definition of “reasonable” that is being sought after in threads of this nature? ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/164 "2013-05-25T19:31:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Shooting at “bumps in the night” coupled with just a bit of misogyny. Is this the type of post gun law advocates should emulate to garner respect from those opposed to such laws? Is this the definition of “reasonable” that is being sought after in threads of this nature? I don’t want your respect. You’re wrong, and cowardly. Go hide in a corner. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/165 "2013-05-25T19:40:36Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > I don’t want your respect. You’re wrong, and cowardly. Go hide in a corner. And again. Any response from those who complain about gun law advocates and the way they post here? ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/166 "2013-05-25T19:42:18Z")
You know, I don’t know why I even come to these threads. Maybe I’ve got a secret desire to be insulted. These are the things I’m accused of , every damn time: small penis size comments about the hairiness of my testicles I’m a danger to myself and others I’m a misogynist\* I don’t care about kids being murdered I’m sick of it. Go away, hide, cower. Do anyting you can to attempt to make your weakness seem normal. I’m done with your insults. - I like women just fine. I just don’t care for men who act like them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/167 "2013-05-25T19:47:08Z")
I didn’t insult you, and I don’t hide or cower. I’m just asking for the same civility that you expect to get here. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/168 "2013-05-25T19:53:23Z")
I’ve a brilliant idea! Another! Tiny speakers have been perfected, they can be fit onto a greeting card to sing "Happy Birthday, so why not an apparatus that will fit comfortably in one’s underwear, and broadcast the sound of two brass spheres clattering together as one walks! Even the vicious gangs of predatory psychopaths that roam our streets will think twice! Sure, maybe he _doesn’t_ have a gun, but he’s got motherfucking _brass balls_! I just gotta keep thinking, its what I’m good at. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/169 "2013-05-25T20:05:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’ve a brilliant idea! Another! Tiny speakers have been perfected, they can be fit onto a greeting card to sing "Happy Birthday, so why not an apparatus that will fit comfortably in one’s underwear, and broadcast the sound of two brass spheres clattering together as one walks! Even the vicious gangs of predatory psychopaths that roam our streets will think twice! Sure, maybe he _doesn’t_ have a gun, but he’s got motherfucking _brass balls_! > > I just gotta keep thinking, its what I’m good at. There we go with the comments about my testicles again. What’s with the infatuation of anti-gunners with my testicals and penis size? I have normal balls. What the hell do you have? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/170 "2013-05-25T20:18:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’ve a brilliant idea! Another! Tiny speakers have been perfected, they can be fit onto a greeting card to sing "Happy Birthday, so why not an apparatus that will fit comfortably in one’s underwear, and broadcast the sound of two brass spheres clattering together as one walks! Even the vicious gangs of predatory psychopaths that roam our streets will think twice! Sure, maybe he _doesn’t_ have a gun, but he’s got motherfucking _brass balls_! > > I just gotta keep thinking, its what I’m good at. Thanks. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/171 "2013-05-25T20:23:24Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > There we go with the comments about my testicles again. What’s with the infatuation of anti-gunners with my testicals and penis size? I have normal balls. What the hell do you have? Flattered by your interest, of course, but I maintain a strict “dinner and a show” minimum. No exceptions! Unless you are Scarlett Johansson. Then maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/172 "2013-05-25T22:07:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And again. > Any response from those who complain about gun law advocates and the way they post here? I really don’t think the kind of pedantic sniping that you are responding to from ChickenLegs is helpful either, though your righteous indignation about them seems disingenuous given your own history on how you engage gun rights advocates. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/173 "2013-05-25T22:25:25Z")
Snotty pedantry is ok with us liberal weenies. But scratch your big hairy nuts and we clutch our pearls and faint dead away. The vapors, you understand… ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126/174 "2013-05-28T22:44:33Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > This is true with respect to any individual gun owner, and I hope I consider it in my anti-gun posts. Even though guns increase risk for the average gun owner, if you could just look at people who have unusal emotional stability, who are unusally good shots, and are unusally good at securing their guns, their risk profile is different. We have a long history with guns and outside of felons, wife beaters, minors and the mentally ill, the emotional stability you are talking about is not at all unusal. > [@](#): > > Also, many people have legitimate need to take on the risks of gun ownership, such as when required by their job, or if they need to hunt to feed their family. Or to shoot at round vanilla targets at the NRA range or anthropomorphic targets almost anywhere else. > [@](#): > > One thing I’d like is for there to be rotating surgeon general type of warnings on guns, saying, for example: > > “For every self-defense homicide involving a firearm kept in the home, there are 1.3 accidental deaths, 4.6 criminal homicides, and 37 firearm suicides.” You really think that self defense homocides fully captures the beneficial effects of guns? > [@elucidator](#): > > I just gotta keep thinking, its what I’m good at. I think you may be confusing comparative advantage for absolute advantage. There is a difference between “its what I do best” versus “I do it well” 😛 > [@elucidator](#): > > Flattered by your interest, of course, but I maintain a strict “dinner and a show” minimum. No exceptions! Unless you are Scarlett Johansson. Then maybe. “Then Maybe”??? pffft, she could toss you a scooby snack [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-post-mortem-debate/658126.md?page=8)