# Gun control, Tyranny and Genocide... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 2, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800 "2013-01-02T03:56:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/281 "2013-01-05T13:31:33Z")
I just found this article which I thought was interesting. It goes over much of the same information as the first but also makes some attempts to quantify deaths due to crime vs deaths do to genocide. Among other comments I thought were interesting was questioning what American’s might have done to the the Japanese American in their internment camps had the WWII gone bad for us. [http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/lethal.htm](http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/lethal.htm) As before I would like to hear from the the anti-gunner crowd if they have any specific criticisms, particularly on matter of fact claims, history, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/282 "2013-01-05T18:09:01Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > The chances of a national disaster are regional? That’s either a natural disaster funded by the Federal Government or a typo. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Tlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@Tlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tlon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/283 "2013-01-07T02:17:23Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Funny. [You’re not the only one to think that](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14637790&postcount=18). Like minds 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/284 "2013-01-07T02:29:43Z")
> [@momosa](#): > > Never gonna take our right to defend ourselves… I just sent yet another check off to the NRA…when the cops are a phone call & minutes away, my gun is right here in my pocket & ready to rock!! This isn’t a radio call-in show, no host is going to respond with “You go, brother!!”, and the only applause you hear is in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/285 "2013-01-07T03:06:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This isn’t a radio call-in show, no host is going to respond with “You go, brother!!”, and the only applause you hear is in your head. No it’s a message board where people are free to express their opinion. That includes those who try to shout others down. So we’ll dispense with the ivory tower insults and go to the facts. Membership is up with the NRA because of hypocrites like Feinstein who go after guns with the same elitist attitude. There is your “You go brother” with the backing of millions of NRA supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/286 "2013-01-07T03:26:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No it’s a message board where people are free to express their opinion. That includes those who try to shout others down. > > So we’ll dispense with the ivory tower insults and go to the facts. Membership is up with the NRA because of hypocrites like Feinstein who go after guns with the same elitist attitude. There is your “You go brother” with the backing of millions of NRA supporters. The fact that you proudly support bumper-sticker mentality like that says more about whatever side you’re on than anything _I_ could possibly respond with. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/287 "2013-01-07T03:50:20Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Do you consider yourself a rational person? If so, what was your conclusion? Please show your work. > > Setting aside availability heuristic, how frequent are natural disasters in the US? And what is the likelihood that at least some chaos/looting will occur? Is it irony that the most recent natural disaster and most recent mass shooting were both named Sandy? > > It doesn’t take much to knock out power to a large area, I was in Toronto during the Blackout of 2003 when 55 million people were without power. So I personally think the likelihood of a sufficiently serious natural disaster is pretty high (did someone say global warming?). It’s also nearly impossible to control for, unlike the ability to control access to the a firearm in my own house. So during the power outage in Toronto did you use your gun to repel neighbors who wanted food? Or maybe you used it to seize food from your neighbors by force. Of course natural disasters happen. Rational people prepare for them by having extra food and water in the house, purchasing generators, or stocking up on firewood. I’m sure it’s fun to have dystopian fantasies about being Mad Max, but it’s kinda silly isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/288 "2013-01-07T04:08:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The fact that you proudly support bumper-sticker mentality like that says more about whatever side you’re on than anything _I_ could possibly respond with. aww, you poor thing. didn’t like having your boorish behavior shoved back in your face. Well that’s just too bad. Feinstein is a hypocrite who is using a tragedy for political fodder. She’s perfectly happy to protect herself while providing no protection for children. Your position of gun control is a knee-jerk reaction that helps nobody and hurts everybody. The school shootings will continue until all the states adopt the positions of the early adopters and take an active role protecting the children. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/289 "2013-01-07T04:21:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Your position of gun control is a knee-jerk reaction that helps nobody and hurts everybody. It is? And what _is_ my position on gun control? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/290 "2013-01-07T04:32:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It is? And what _is_ my position on gun control? It appears to be one against the NRA given your remarks. If not then replace Feinstein’s name with yours with my last statement. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/291 "2013-01-07T04:37:54Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It appears to be one against the NRA given your remarks. If not then replace Feinstein’s name with yours with my last statement. Being pro-gun and anti-NRA must be too hard for you to understand. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/292 "2013-01-07T04:39:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It is? And what _is_ my position on gun control? If I have read you correctly, you feel that anyone should be able to own whatever they want given they are law abiding. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/293 "2013-01-07T04:53:02Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > If I have read you correctly, you feel that anyone should be able to own whatever they want given they are law abiding. Noperoonies, bucky-that there is circular reasoning at it’s worst. My position is that the 2nd Amendment should be rewritten to 1. Remove that confusing first section about a “well trained militia”, and 2. Add a definition of “arms” so damn clear that a Supreme Court judge would have to be a blithering idiot not to understand it immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/294 "2013-01-07T05:16:19Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > If I have read you correctly, you feel that anyone should be able to own whatever they want given they are law abiding. Well you were close. He wants everybody to own whatever HE thinks they should own. All that’s needed is a rewrite of the constitution. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/295 "2013-01-07T05:20:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Noperoonies, bucky-that there is circular reasoning at it’s worst. My position is that the 2nd Amendment should be rewritten to > > 1. Remove that confusing first section about a “well trained militia”, and > 2. Add a definition of “arms” so damn clear that a Supreme Court judge would have to be a blithering idiot not to understand it immediately. I’m not sure how either of those are in disagreement with what I said. Removing the militia piece leaves you with this: \*The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. \* Pretty absolute, I like it. What would you like that definition of “arms” to look like? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/296 "2013-01-07T05:32:14Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > I’m not sure how either of those are in disagreement with what I said. Removing the militia piece leaves you with this: > > \*The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. \* > > Pretty absolute, I like it. > > What would you like that definition of “arms” to look like? I’m a law-abidin’ dude-just make that definition clear and I’ll be happy as a clam holding a shotgun to the back of Ivar Haglund’s head. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/297 "2013-01-07T05:37:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m a law-abidin’ dude-just make that definition clear and I’ll be happy as a clam holding a shotgun to the back of Ivar Haglund’s head. How would you define it Czarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/298 "2013-01-07T05:45:54Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > How would you define it Czarcasm? I wouldn’t. I know a bit about firearms…but I’m certainly not enough of a scholar of arms, law _and_ history to be futzing with something of that magnitude, and I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 posters on this message board than come close to having that level of understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/299 "2013-01-07T06:03:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I wouldn’t. I know a bit about firearms…but I’m certainly not enough of a scholar of arms, law _and_ history to be futzing with something of that magnitude, and I doubt there are more than 3 or 4 posters on this message board than come close to having that level of understanding. Do you think an AR15 should be legal? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800/300 "2013-01-07T06:14:13Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Do you think an AR15 should be legal? You’re just not getting it, are you? I would like people who know what the fuck they are talking about(definitely not me, and almost certainly not you) to get together and create a clear definition of “arms” that all (including the Supreme Court) could agree upon. Once that definition is established, all arms that fall within that definition are legal, and those that don’t aren’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-tyranny-and-genocide/645800.md?page=16)