# Gun control wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas...should we do it anyway? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-what-happened-in-vegas-should-we-do-it-anyway/797873 "2017-10-03T15:32:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-what-happened-in-vegas-should-we-do-it-anyway/797873/701 "2017-10-16T16:17:33Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > a) The first numbers (1,548,000 and 426,000) are total fatal and non-fatal firearm violence. The second numbers (7.3 and 1.8) are for non-fatal firearm violence only. My mistake. But it is close enough since the numbers are so hugely skewed towards non-fatal firearm violence. Adjusted the rates would be respectively 7.4 for 1993 and 1.6 for 2003. 82% reduction between 1993 and 2010. AFAIU (correct me if I’m wrong) nationwide the CCW restrictions have been relaxed quite a bit during that period, right? Would be interesting to see the same number for CA. Extremely strict gun laws - what is the CA “firearm violence” reduction? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-what-happened-in-vegas-should-we-do-it-anyway/797873/702 "2017-10-16T17:37:01Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Gunnists repeat over and over and over that the public opposes gun control. The poll shows the opposite. Clear enough? Do these polling results/suggestions trump actual election results? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-what-happened-in-vegas-should-we-do-it-anyway/797873/703 "2017-10-17T03:22:05Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > You do see the slight problem there, right? > Gun violence across California dropped 56% from 5,500 gun deaths in 1993 to 2,935 in 2010, even as the state’s population increased from 30 million to 37 million. > During that time, gun deaths declined by 29% for the nation overall. > > You care to revise your assessment? Violent crime went down in CA about the same as the rest of the nation. There has recently been a uptick. > **[Crime Trends in California](https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/)** > > Violent crime in California has ticked up in recent years, with a pronounced increase in incidents involving guns since 2019. Property crime has also risen steadily statewide, and rates now stand slightly above pre-pandemic levels in 2019. \*In the most recent national data (from 2014), California’s violent crime rate of 396 per 100,000 residents was higher than the national rate of 366 and ranked 18th among all states. \* So CA has a higher violent crime rate than most states, but has the most strict gun laws: [https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428/0/10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html](https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428/0/10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html) I dont give a rats ass about “gun violence” I care about "violence’. Violent crime in CA is high, despite strict gun laws. However,CA had gun murders drop by 3%, exactly like the USA as a whole: > **[Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data](https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state)** > > How high is gun crime across the US - and which states have the worst figures? This is the latest data CA had a slightly higher gun murder, robbery and assault rate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-what-happened-in-vegas-should-we-do-it-anyway/797873.md?page=35)