# Gun Grabber 2: Semi-automatic bugaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293 "2013-02-04T07:22:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/21 "2013-02-04T17:08:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He came up with a mocking name for the gun. He didn’t insult anyone for owning the gun or wanting to (although I wouldn’t be surprised if they object). > > It’s not a ban, it’s a sensible observation based on the way these threads usually turn out. The only threads about guns that get started in MPSIMS are usually of the ‘breaking news - there’s been a shooting’ type. Debates go in GD, threads about using guns go in The Game Room, complaints go in the Pit. Since the ‘there’s been a shooting’ threads often turn into debate, you may as well start them in the Pit or GD. I thought better of you than that. That is quibbling at its worst. The word did not appear in a vacuum. It was directed at anyone who would be evil and stupid enough to want to own an AR-15 like the OP. And no I don’t own one So it’s not a rule you can start the thread but it will get shut down or moved so don’t start one but there isn’t a rule against it. Splunge. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/22 "2013-02-04T17:51:39Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > No he was insulting those that own them or wanted to. What a fragile creature the gun advocate is. If I call car a shitty name, am I being cruel to those that want it? Possibly. But if you’re policing that, then nothing whatsoever can be criticized. “The movie Prometheus is poorly written.” “How dare you mock Prometheus fans!” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/23 "2013-02-04T18:09:39Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > What a fragile creature the gun advocate is. > > If I call car a shitty name, am I being cruel to those that want it? Possibly. But if you’re policing that, then nothing whatsoever can be criticized. > > “The movie Prometheus is poorly written.” > > “How dare you mock Prometheus fans!” Yeah ok. I know you read above a 5th grade level so you must be playing dumb. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/24 "2013-02-04T18:15:29Z")
I think the best strategy here is to simply move every and all gun threads to The Pit. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/25 "2013-02-04T18:23:46Z")
I have an alternate suggestion: create a special rule that allows **Oakminster** to say “gun grabber” to his heart’s content, wherever and whenever and at whomever he likes, if it will get him to shut the fuck up about this “issue.” Slightly unorthodox, yes, but desperate times \> desperate measures. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/26 "2013-02-04T18:27:29Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Yeah ok. I know you read above a 5th grade level so you must be playing dumb. Must be. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/27 "2013-02-04T18:32:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think the best strategy here is to simply move every and all gun threads to The Pit. No need to do that if moderation can be tightened - and by that I mean cutting down on the nameslinging by BOTH sides. There have actually be a few rather civil gun threads in both Great Debates and IMHO recently, and I’d like to see that trend continue. The Pit’s always there for those who’d prefer hurling invectives over reasonable discourse. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/28 "2013-02-04T18:42:06Z")
Perhaps the GUN FORUM wasn’t such a bad idea after all. But I think we can kill two birds with one stone here, and open a GUNS and ISRAEL/PALESTINIAN FORUM. One thread each, no rules and no moderation. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/29 "2013-02-04T18:44:36Z")
[Modding] > [@Loach](#): > > Yeah ok. I know you read above a 5th grade level so you must be playing dumb. Knock it off. [/Modding] > [@Oakminster](#): > > It matters because if I could have anticipated moderation, I would not have fucking posted it. I don’t generally break rules here. No, you don’t. Which is why I think it’s odd that you’re treating a mod note about tone as some kind of harsh punishment. It’s not a mark on your permanent record, and I mean that literally since we don’t keep track of them. I gave a note to try to keep a thread on-topic and keep personal comments to a minimum. I modded your comment about “gun grabbers” and a post that described an anti-gun control argument as “stupid,” and I thought that was more than enough to forestall any claims of bias. > [@](#): > > My post was also not about another poster. Unlike this post about the AR-15, it applied to other posters as well as non-posters. I understand the objection to **RickJay** ’s comment, but he didn’t insult anyone or call anyone evil. > [@](#): > > Rickjay and/or MPSIMS mods are welcome to explain themselves in this thread. They certainly are. The problem is that your question ought to be directed to them in the first place since it has nothing to do with my mod note on “gun grabbers” from last month. > [@](#): > > You should all be on the same page, and apply the rules in a consistent, predictable manner. A post that is worth a warning should get a warning from any mod. A post that is only worth a note should get a note from any mod. I agree, but you are occasionally going to see some differences when you’re talking about judgment calls. I modded your post because it was about people, and I expected posters to object and wanted to forestall that. **RickJay** ’s comment was about a gun. > [@Loach](#): > > The word did not appear in a vacuum. It was directed at anyone who would be evil and stupid enough to want to own an AR-15 like the OP. He did not call anyone stupid or evil. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/30 "2013-02-04T18:45:33Z")
> [@artemis](#): > > No need to do that if moderation can be tightened - and by that I mean cutting down on the nameslinging by BOTH sides. There have actually be a few rather civil gun threads in both Great Debates and IMHO recently, and I’d like to see that trend continue. The Pit’s always there for those who’d prefer hurling invectives over reasonable discourse. How about a voluntary exclusion of terms like “screeching”, “whining”, “shrill” and the like? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/31 "2013-02-04T18:51:06Z")
It’s sort of a missed opportunity that this thread wasn’t called “Gun Grabber 2: Grab Harder.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/32 "2013-02-04T18:51:46Z")
**Oakminster** , While I agree with your position on Marley’s moderation of “gun grabber”, as well as your position on this board’s moderation in general—particularly Marley’s which is as anti-helpful as it is childish and biased—I think you weaken your case by pointing to this example that you did. I was with you 100% on your original complaint. This, meh. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/33 "2013-02-04T18:54:13Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s sort of a missed opportunity that this thread wasn’t called “Gun Grabber 2: Grab Harder.” 😉 Maybe “Gun Grabber 4: Live Free or Grab Hard.” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/34 "2013-02-04T19:00:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s sort of a missed opportunity that this thread wasn’t called “Gun Grabber 2: Grab Harder.” 😉 “Bugaboo” would’ve been more accurate, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/35 "2013-02-04T19:01:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Modding] > > Knock it off. > [/Modding] > He did not call anyone stupid or evil. You are right. I could have gotten my point across in a much better manner. My appologies. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/36 "2013-02-04T21:17:40Z")
I am an MPSIMS mod and I didn’t think it needed any comment from a moderator for two reasons. First, no poster was directly insulted using this term. Second, it springs from a recent event and gets the point across that this model was used in a grade-school shooting. His argument is that because this gun was used, interest in it has risen. This is his opinion, and while some find the term distasteful, we don’t police for taste … remember I was taken to task for moderating people for cracking jokes after the theater shooting. I felt they were in poor taste, but no, that’s not a moderator’s job and I was persuaded to agree. For those who think moderation was necessary, what would be the reprimand? The thread had not yet gotten off track when I saw it. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/37 "2013-02-04T21:33:04Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > For those who think moderation was necessary, what would be the reprimand? The thread had not yet gotten off track when I saw it. How about: The Pit is a couple of forums down. Keep it MPSIMS-appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/38 "2013-02-04T21:46:20Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > For those who think moderation was necessary, what would be the reprimand? The thread had not yet gotten off track when I saw it. Clearly what was needed was some type of Second Amendment Solution. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/39 "2013-02-04T22:10:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Clearly what was needed was some type of Second Amendment Solution. Turn the moderators and administrators into an armed well-regulated militia? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/40 "2013-02-04T22:57:57Z")
I’d like to see well-regulated use versus subjective and inconsistent use of the concealed weapons of Notes and Warnings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293.md?page=3)