# Gun Grabber 2: Semi-automatic bugaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293 "2013-02-04T07:22:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/41 "2013-02-04T22:59:55Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How about a voluntary exclusion of terms like “screeching”, “whining”, “shrill” and the like? There’d be a problem with Cafe Society threads, then, particularly when we’re comparing past Superbowl Anthem singers. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/42 "2013-02-04T23:27:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Turn the moderators and administrators into an armed well-regulated militia? 😃 Well, that is necessary to the security of a free Message Board. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/43 "2013-02-05T00:18:30Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > … in which case I expect you to go back and retroactively warn every poster that has used terms such as “Tea Bagger”. Weren’t the tea baggers the ones who originally came up with that? Until they realized that it also meant balls-on-face? ---
**Author:** ![Krav\_Manga](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/krav_manga/32/3153_2.png) [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/44 "2013-02-05T00:35:37Z")
> [@](#): > > This is his opinion, and while some find the term distasteful, we don’t police for taste But you do police for tone. Would you please clarify the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/45 "2013-02-05T00:53:40Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Weren’t the tea baggers the ones who originally came up with that? Until they realized that it also meant balls-on-face? And yet they still keep calling themselves that… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/46 "2013-02-05T01:32:50Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Weren’t the tea baggers the ones who originally came up with that? Until they realized that it also meant balls-on-face? Yep, if I’m not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/47 "2013-02-05T02:07:41Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > I am an MPSIMS mod and I didn’t think it needed any comment from a moderator for two reasons. First, no poster was directly insulted using this term. Second, it springs from a recent event and gets the point across that this model was used in a grade-school shooting. His argument is that because this gun was used, interest in it has risen. This is his opinion, and while some find the term distasteful, we don’t police for taste … A question then… (And mind you I’m not calling for anyone’s head) even if it was not insulting to any particular poster, Johnny’s thread was benign, non-political and in the polite form. Might not Rick’s post be considered threadshitting? ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/48 "2013-02-05T04:54:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > 1. His comment was about a gun, not people including posters. Do you really expect us to believe that RJ lawyered it as finely as you do? It could be read in more than one way, such as: 1. people who buy it are like gradeschoolers. 2. it’s a gun primarily to shoot gradeschoolers, the hidden intent of those who buy it. Both insults. Both obvious. > [@bobot](#): > > Weren’t the tea baggers the ones who originally came up with that? Until they realized that it also meant balls-on-face? Yes, they’re innocent of certain practices. Unlike other people. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > And yet they still keep calling themselves that… :dubious: Cite? Of course, blacks can use the n-word amongst themselves, but nobody else can call them that. > [@Lobohan](#): > > What a fragile creature the gun advocate is. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/49 "2013-02-05T06:15:19Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > Do you really expect us to believe that RJ lawyered it as finely as you do? It could be read in more than one way, such as: > > 1. people who buy it are like gradeschoolers. > 2. it’s a gun primarily to shoot gradeschoolers, the hidden intent of those who buy it. 1. People are buying it because it is in the news, and the fact that it is in the news because it was used to kill children is beside the point to them. Advertising works. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/50 "2013-02-05T06:28:59Z")
1. People are buying them because they’re afraid they will be banned. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/51 "2013-02-05T14:13:41Z")
1. Insert phallic reference here, just to beat Der Trihs to the punch. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/52 "2013-02-05T15:02:29Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > Do you really expect us to believe that RJ lawyered it as finely as you do? I’m discussing what he wrote, not how he “lawyered it.” I understand why people objected to the post, of course, but he didn’t call any person a name. He said something about a model of gun that was used to kill a bunch of children. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/53 "2013-02-05T15:19:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He said something about a model of gun that was used to kill a bunch of children. It was deliberately inflammatory. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/54 "2013-02-05T15:25:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He said something about a model of gun that was used to kill a bunch of children. And he strongly implied that anyone that owns or is trying to buy an AR 15 condones the massacre of children. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/55 "2013-02-05T16:18:41Z")
He didn’t strongly imply anything but that an AR-15 was used in the _latest_ massacre of children. “Stop making fun of my guns!” Really? I never pegged \*\*Oakminster \*\*as a member of the offenderatti. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/56 "2013-02-05T16:30:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He said something about a model of gun that was used to kill a bunch of children. But not in a vacuum. I’m curious why you mods of all people continue to argue that non-valid viewpoint. So what he didn’t directly insult another poster? Not many are arguing that he did. But what he did do was make a mean spirited political jab in a MPSIMS thread that strongly contributed to the derailment of that thread. Again, the comment itself didn’t bother me personally but you continuing to act as if is was fine and dandy is a bit silly, IMO (your comment is silly, not you). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/57 "2013-02-05T16:52:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And he strongly implied that anyone that owns or is trying to buy an AR 15 condones the massacre of children. I don’t think that’s the implication. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that. > [@PlainJain](#): > > But what he did do was make a mean spirited political jab in a MPSIMS thread that strongly contributed to the derailment of that thread. I agree the comment contributed to the thread going off course and the mods should be careful about doing that. It was an inflammatory comment for sure. I don’t think it means much that the comment was political because the thread was bound to be political based on its subject matter. Perhaps it would’ve been a better fit in Great Debates even if the OP was making a one-off observation. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/58 "2013-02-05T17:12:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I agree the comment contributed to the thread going off course and the mods should be careful about doing that. It was an inflammatory comment for sure. I don’t think it means much that the comment was political because the thread was bound to be political based on its subject matter. Perhaps it would’ve been a better fit in Great Debates even if the OP was making a one-off observation. Thank you for your response. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/59 "2013-02-05T17:29:58Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Perhaps it would’ve been a better fit in Great Debates even if the OP was making a one-off observation. I thought the article was fairly balanced, and helped to explain how the AR-15 became more popular than it was. And the popularity had nothing to do with people wanting the same gun a mass-murderer used (as was stated by one poster). The thread could have been a discussion about the attributes of the firearm, and could have allowed people familiar with it to explain why they like it. Instead, it was hijacked almost immediately by someone claiming, through the application of a moniker, that it is the preferred weapon of child killers; and by someone claiming that people who want one want to use it to kill people. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/60 "2013-02-05T17:39:04Z")
I’m not faulting you for doing anything wrong, but I think a gun control discussion was the likely result even though it did not have to be that particular argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293.md?page=4)