# Gun Grabber 2: Semi-automatic bugaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293 "2013-02-04T07:22:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/61 "2013-02-05T18:16:52Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I never pegged \*\*Oakminster \*\*as a member of the offenderatti. I can’t tell if you’re joking. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/62 "2013-02-05T19:51:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not faulting you for doing anything wrong, but I think a gun control discussion was the likely result even though it did not have to be that particular argument. A mod came into the discussion, she could have told the offenders to knock off the hijack. I’ve seen it work time and time again. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/63 "2013-02-05T19:54:51Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > A mod came into the discussion, she could have told the offenders to knock off the hijack. I’ve seen it work time and time again. Yes, she could have. I think she made an equally logical choice since the thread was a mess by that point. It went pretty far off course in a short time. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/64 "2013-02-05T19:55:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, she could have. I think she made an equally logical choice since the thread was a mess by that point. It went pretty far off course in a short time. Granted. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/65 "2013-02-05T20:32:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think that’s the implication. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that. I think we must disagree. I don’t see how you could sensibly read the statement as anything but an accusation that those who want the gun want it to shoot children. Further supported by his arguing that exact point. > [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, she could have. I think she made an equally logical choice since the thread was a mess by that point. It went pretty far off course in a short time. Note that **Ellen Cherry** came in much sooner (according to her post in this thread) but didn’t do anything. She might have been early enough to mod the comment for being a political hijack and a threadshit. But of course then we’d have had to endure the ATMB thread on why Ellen is such a jackbooted thug that she doesn’t allow humor, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/66 "2013-02-05T20:49:15Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > But of course then we’d have had to endure the ATMB thread on why Ellen is such a jackbooted thug that she doesn’t allow humor, or whatever. I doubt it. **Ellen Cherry** is one of the better moderators who does a good job of explaining herself while she moderates (instead of only when someone calls her on it) and making reasonable decisions. She also will admit when she makes a mistake, and actually polices what she says so she doesn’t wind up contradicting herself later. She therefore does not get nearly as many ATMB threads. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/67 "2013-02-05T20:57:17Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I don’t see how you could sensibly read the statement as anything but an accusation that those who want the gun want it to shoot children. Further supported by his arguing that exact point. He never argued that anyone wanted the gun so they could shoot children. He said the opposite in both post #34 and post #44. > [@The Most Wanted Gun In America](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-wanted-gun-in-america/649254/34): > > Whether that’s because of the proposed assault weapons ban or not, the weapon is now famous and cmmercially popular in large part for its use in shooting children, even though your personal motive for buying one isn’t to go shoot children. If you don’t like that, well, that’s life. > [@The Most Wanted Gun In America](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-wanted-gun-in-america/649254/44): > > > [@The Most Wanted Gun In America](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-wanted-gun-in-america/649254/37): > > > > Do you really, honestly believe that people are buying it because they think it’d make a great weapon to murder kids with? > > No, which is why, you’ll note, I never said that. > [@Irishman](#): > > Note that **Ellen Cherry** came in much sooner (according to her post in this thread) but didn’t do anything. She might have been early enough to mod the comment for being a political hijack and a threadshit. Yes, it’s possible that the thread would not have gone so badly if she had told everybody to cool down or had given a note in response to a couple of posts. But the post wasn’t a political hijack - the use of the gun in that massacre isn’t political - and I don’t think it was a threadshit. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/68 "2013-02-05T21:07:14Z")
You’re saying gun control isn’t political? I’ll concede it doesn’t fit the notion of threadshit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/69 "2013-02-05T21:17:33Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > You’re saying gun control isn’t political? I’ll concede it doesn’t fit the notion of threadshit. Yes, of course gun control is political. But **RickJay** ’s comment wasn’t about gun control, and the thread is about the fact that sales of the AR-15 are up because of the proposed assault weapons ban. I think it would be futile to try to keep a discussion of gun control out of that thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/70 "2013-02-05T21:54:49Z")
I think we’re ready for _Gun Grabber 3-D; Is the Horse Dead Yet?_ ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/71 "2013-02-05T22:02:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think we’re ready for _Gun Grabber 3-D; Is the Horse Dead Yet?_ I dunno. We’d better shoot it to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/72 "2013-02-05T23:21:03Z")
And what is a "bug"aloo? Is that a white guy trying to boogaloo? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/73 "2013-02-06T03:33:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Oh Marley? A word please. > > Remember the whole gun grabber thing, where you felt absolutely compelled to moderate my heinous use of provocative language in Great Debates? > > How, then, does [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15967080&postcount=6), by a moderator, in MPSIMS, get a free pass? > > For those that don’t wish to click the link to a post in a now closed thread, Rickjay, noted moderator, dropped this little gem: > > \*You have to admit it’s curious that a proposed general ban on many weapons results, specifically, in a huge rush on the AR-15 Gradeschooler. \* > > Now if a moderator, trusted guardian of the sacred civility of this noble board, is allowed to comment in this manner in the fluffy-fucking-bunny forum, tell me again why I shouldn’t use “gun grabber” in the more rough and tumble Great Debates? I was gonna start this exact same bitch thread last night but got sidetracked. In post #2 Der Trihs shits all over the thread, and not only isn’t modded, but a MOD joins in and says something worse. And you get nailed for “gun grabbers.” The left leaning ideology of this board has blinded it to any semblance of fairness. It seems like left wing shots are simply “the truth” whereas conservative arguments are “being a jerk.” IMHO, both of those posts are absolute personal attacks to any gun owner who buys an AR-15 and implies that they want children to die. That’s the epitome of a personal attack. ETA: Then a third mod comes in and closes the thread (which was a legitimate and very good GQ) because the thread was so off course. It was off course because two posters including a mod destroyed the thread. Instead of moderating the posters, the thread is simply closed. That happens too much to a handful of posters on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/74 "2013-02-06T03:37:00Z")
**jtgain** , please read some of the 70-odd posts that came after the OP. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/75 "2013-02-06T04:00:08Z")
> [@artemis](#): > > I dunno. We’d better shoot it to be sure. That’d be\* way\* too quick. The best way is the current course - excruciatingly beating it slowly to death thread after thread after thread… . ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/76 "2013-02-06T04:16:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **jtgain** , please read some of the 70-odd posts that came after the OP. Give me a break. I have read them. It sure sounds to me like **RickJay** was endorsing **Der Trihs** ’ ridiculous, inflammatory hijack. Here is the relevant subthread, each a reply to the previous post: > [@Der Trihs](#): > > It helps show how twisted gun owners are. “Someone committed a massacre? I want a gun like his!” It’s like someone watching a documentary on World War II and then going out and getting a Hitler mustache. > [@Johnny LA](#): > > Your perception is completely off-base. > [@RickJay](#): > > You have to admit it’s curious that a proposed general ban on many weapons results, specifically, in a huge rush on the AR-15 Gradeschooler. His later backpedaling in the thread does not change the implication. Even if that’s not what he meant, it certainly reads that way. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/77 "2013-02-06T04:37:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **jtgain** , please read some of the 70-odd posts that came after the OP. I read them all and have yet to see a clear answer. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/78 "2013-02-06T04:40:14Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Give me a break. I have read them. It sure sounds to me like **RickJay** was endorsing **Der Trihs** ’ ridiculous, inflammatory hijack. Pretty sure \*\*Marley \*\*was only referring to **jtgain** ’s backing up of **Oak** ’s opinion that the whole “gun-grabber” thing was bad/biased moderation, not talking about anything that went on in the MPSIMS thread that he had nothing to do with. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/79 "2013-02-06T04:40:50Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Pretty sure \*\*Marley \*\*was only referring to **jtgain** ’s backing up of **Oak** ’s opinion that the whole “gun-grabber” thing was bad/biased moderation, not talking about anything that went on in the MPSIMS thread that he had nothing to do with. Oh. Well, it seemed to me that **jtgain** was talking about the bad behavior in the MPSIMS thread exclusively. But, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293/80 "2013-02-06T04:53:05Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Oh. Well, it seemed to me that **jtgain** was talking about the bad behavior in the MPSIMS thread exclusively. But, whatever. Well, it’s probably more accurate to say that it’s about comparing and contrasting the two quite different incidents, and that’s what has been done in quite a few of the preceding posts that \*\*Marley \*\*referred to. So, I don’t think his comment was as narrowly focused on the MPSIMS thread as you seemed to take it. Just sayin’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabber-2-semi-automatic-bugaloo/649293.md?page=3)