# Gun Grabbers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014 "2013-09-16T23:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/201 "2013-09-18T18:48:14Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > Then again, you might well be a monorchid. My name is not Sammy Hall. And this, too, fails to address any actual argument. As a general proposition, when someone’s response to a logical argument is invective, the reader is entitled to conclude the invective is intended to distract from the complete inability to counter those logical arguments. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/202 "2013-09-18T18:56:50Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > A few of you are guilty of overstating the strength of the gun control supporters arguments. If your case was so rock solid why did that last bit of legislation post Sandy Hook go down in flames? I can’t speak for the sheep, but I think they underestimate those of us who are armed and ready to defend ourselves from enemies both foreign and domestic. I am not talking about the U.S. armed forces oath. Most of the powdered wig wannabees know that there is a “red line” that isn’t a bluff. It’s one the people will no doubt react to. Don’t confuse it with the Golfer in chief’s red line. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/203 "2013-09-18T19:06:04Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > I can’t speak for the sheep, but I think they underestimate those of us who are armed and ready to defend ourselves from enemies both foreign and domestic. I am not talking about the U.S. armed forces oath. > > Most of the powdered wig wannabees know that there is a “red line” that isn’t a bluff. It’s one the people will no doubt react to. Don’t confuse it with the Golfer in chief’s red line. When and under what circumstances have you defended yourself from a foreign enemy? I’m dying to to know. Oh, hang on, maybe I misunderstood. You’re saying you’re going to start killing people if you think they are taking away your guns? Right, got it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/204 "2013-09-18T19:23:35Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > A few of you are guilty of overstating the strength of the gun control supporters arguments. If your case was so rock solid why did that last bit of legislation post Sandy Hook go down in flames? Do you think all political decisions reflect the most logical or well-supported positions? If so, take your finger out of your nose. You’re digging too hard and it’s interfering with your frontal lobe function. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/205 "2013-09-18T19:29:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > When and under what circumstances have you defended yourself from a foreign enemy? I’m dying to to know. > > Oh, hang on, maybe I misunderstood. You’re saying you’re going to start killing people if you think they are taking away your guns? Right, got it. You asked a question and then answered for me. Nice. Anyways. I live in a border state. It’s safe to say there are several foreign enemies here. Some of them have been armed by our government. Pretty cool, huh? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/206 "2013-09-18T19:41:42Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Anyways. I live in a border state. It’s safe to say there are several foreign enemies here. Some of them have been armed by our government. Pretty cool, huh? The dangerous ones you need to worry about were armed by Americans buying guns at gun shops, gun shows and internet hookups along the border and selling them on to gun runners. That’s what lax gun laws do. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/207 "2013-09-18T19:50:18Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > I can’t speak for the sheep, but I think they underestimate those of us who are armed and ready to defend ourselves from enemies both foreign and domestic. I am not talking about the U.S. armed forces oath. > > Most of the powdered wig wannabees know that there is a “red line” that isn’t a bluff. It’s one the people will no doubt react to. Don’t confuse it with the Golfer in chief’s red line. God I admire you. You stand on a wall. Doughy, paunchy, out of breath from carrying the ladder and climbing up it, but you stand there nonetheless. You say “No black man is going to hurt me tonight.”. Silver wings upon their chest… ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/208 "2013-09-18T20:03:23Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > God I admire you. You stand on a wall. Doughy, paunchy, out of breath from carrying the ladder and climbing up it, but you stand there nonetheless. > > You say “No black man is going to hurt me tonight.”. Can you produce that quote of mine? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/209 "2013-09-18T20:08:47Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Can you produce that quote of mine? Sure, just wait right there and I’ll be back with it. Go ahead and play with your gun while you wait. I mean, the one for fighting, not the one for fun. You magnificent son of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/210 "2013-09-18T20:12:55Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > A few of you are guilty of overstating the strength of the gun control supporters arguments. If your case was so rock solid why did that last bit of legislation post Sandy Hook go down in flames? People are stupid. Why is creationism being taught in some schools? Why do some people think Obamacare will result in a worse health care system? Why do some people support bombing Iraq when there were no WMDs and don’t support limited bombings in Syria for actually using WMDs? The answer to all of these questions is: People are stupid. Or, in some case, they are maliciously evil and hyperpartisan and don’t give a rat’s ass about others so long as things go their way ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/211 "2013-09-18T20:21:42Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Sure, just wait right there and I’ll be back with it. > > Go ahead and play with your gun while you wait. I mean, the one for fighting, not the one for fun. > > You magnificent son of a bitch. So you can’t produce the quote? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/212 "2013-09-18T20:24:23Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > If your case was so rock solid why did that last bit of legislation post Sandy Hook go down in flames? Because fear is stronger than reason. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/213 "2013-09-18T20:30:43Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > So you can’t produce the quote? It was a humorous parody of Demi Moore’s monolog from A Few Good Men, you stupid shit. I’m mocking your rough customer act. Fat, armed and stupid is no way to go through life. (That’s another humorous paraphrase of a famous quote, by the way.) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/214 "2013-09-18T20:30:46Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > You asked a question and then answered for me. Nice. No, actually I asked a question, then realized after posting that you were apparently saying something more interesting than some vague claim to have been defending us against foreigners. I then edited the post to add my interpretation of what you were saying, in an effort to determine whether I understood your remarks correctly. So, do you categorically deny that you were talking about killing people who you deem to be trying to take away your guns? > [@](#): > > Anyways. I live in a border state. It’s safe to say there are several foreign enemies here. Some of them have been armed by our government. Pretty cool, huh? So, the question stands: what have you been doing, on a personal level, to defend the border? You know, since you brought it up in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/215 "2013-09-18T20:34:25Z")
> [@Subterraneanus](#): > > Then again, you might well be a monorchid. Hey, we don’t want him either! ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/216 "2013-09-18T20:46:23Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No, actually I asked a question, then realized after posting that you were apparently saying something more interesting than some vague claim to have been defending us against foreigners. I then edited the post to add my interpretation of what you were saying, in an effort to determine whether I understood your remarks correctly. > > So, do you categorically deny that you were talking about killing people who you deem to be trying to take away your guns? > > So, the question stands: what have you been doing, on a personal level, to defend the border? You know, since you brought it up in the first place. I have been voting in a manner that I feel will protect my border. In addition to that, I am armed and ready to defend myself if my government will not. Pretty simple stuff. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/217 "2013-09-18T20:47:25Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It was a humorous parody of Demi Moore’s monolog from A Few Good Men, you stupid shit. > > I’m mocking your rough customer act. > > Fat, armed and stupid is no way to go through life. (That’s another humorous paraphrase of a famous quote, by the way.) Thanks for letting me know that was funny. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/218 "2013-09-18T21:07:00Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > I have been voting in a manner that I feel will protect my border. In addition to that, I am armed and ready to defend myself if my government will not. > > Pretty simple stuff. OK, so you’re going to dodge the questions, then. That’s fine, I understand why you might want to back off your earlier statements a bit. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/219 "2013-09-18T21:15:25Z")
No, he answered it - by acknowledging that all he’s been doing is massaging his laptop and fantasizing about manhood. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/220 "2013-09-18T21:39:15Z")
Lemme help you out. Maybe you missed my answer before saying that I refused to answer… You asked… > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, do you categorically deny that you were talking about killing people who you deem to be trying to take away your guns? > > So, the question stands: what have you been doing, on a personal level, to defend the border? You know, since you brought it up in the first place. I answered… > [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > I have been voting in a manner that I feel will protect my border. In addition to that, I am armed and ready to defend myself if my government will not. > > Pretty simple stuff. Then you said… > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > OK, so you’re going to dodge the questions, then. That’s fine, I understand why you might want to back off your earlier statements a bit. This is fun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=12)