# Gun Grabbers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014 "2013-09-16T23:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/341 "2013-09-25T03:27:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > But not a libertarian one. A completely libertarian market in automobiles would be almost as horrible a thing as a completely libertarian market in firearms, and you motherfucking **know** it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/342 "2013-09-25T03:34:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > A completely libertarian market in automobiles would be almost as horrible a thing as a completely libertarian market in firearms, and you motherfucking **know** it. **China Guy** : “ **Let’s go all libertarian** , free market, second amendment on their asses.” ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/343 "2013-09-25T04:02:22Z")
The OP just wants to promote more mass murder with his gun worship. He cares not about people being able to protect themselves from other men, the government, hunt, or sport shoot, but only craves blood on the streets, and in the schools of innocent children. Frankly, anyone who thinks you need to own a gun has a small penis. As a gun grabber, I know that penis size is a legitimate debate here. Just working on my stuff since many of you grabbers have turned my whole world upside down with your awesome reaction to sensible gun views. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/344 "2013-09-25T04:17:57Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > He cares not about people being able to protect themselves from other men, **the government**. . . :dubious: See [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=703091), asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/345 "2013-09-25T04:57:22Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Frankly, anyone who thinks you need to own a gun has a small penis. As a gun grabber, I know that penis size is a legitimate debate here. And yet it is only ever your side that ever brings up any such idea of “penis size” issues. If I or any other gun-rights supporter had any such issues, there is no way you would know of it. I’m not in the habit of showing my genitals to, nor discussing them with, anyone other than my wife; and neither are most others on my side of this debate. The only “penis size” issues about which you would have any credible way of knowing would be your own. The insistence of you and others like you on your side of making such statements about me and those on my side only goes to show that you have your own issues, which you seek to project on others. The quote that is commonly attributed to Freud, about a fear of weapons being a sign of retarded sexual development, is not genuine, at least not as falsely attributed to Freud, but it is certainly apparent, based on this behavior of those on your side, that there is at least some element of truth to it. ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/346 "2013-09-25T05:25:40Z")
You two on the same side, dipshit. What, were you too busy rubbing a gun on your mysteriously-sized dick to read his whole post? ---
**Author:** ![hkepotat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hkepotat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hkepotat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/347 "2013-09-25T12:09:56Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > You two on the same side, dipshit. What, were you too busy rubbing a gun on your mysteriously-sized dick to read his whole post? It is the attention to detail and nuance and ability to coherently identify the enemy to be attacked that makes me feel much safer knowing that these groups are armed. If one cannot take the time and effort to identify a poster as an ally making a snarky comment, I would hate to be near a group of like-minded gun owners when a car backfires. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/348 "2013-09-25T14:28:58Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > The OP just wants to promote more mass murder with his gun worship. He cares not about people being able to protect themselves from other men, the government, hunt, or sport shoot, but only craves blood on the streets, and in the schools of innocent children. Frankly, anyone who thinks you need to own a gun has a small penis. As a gun grabber, I know that penis size is a legitimate debate here. > > Just working on my stuff since many of you grabbers have turned my whole world upside down with your awesome reaction to sensible gun views. > [@Silophant](#): > > You two on the same side, dipshit. What, were you too busy rubbing a gun on your mysteriously-sized dick to read his whole post? Its an example of Poe’s law. Gun grabbers are so ridiculous that it is hard to distinguish between a gun grabber and a parody of a gun grabber. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/349 "2013-09-25T14:31:36Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Let’s go all libertarian, free market, second amendment on their asses. > > If you own a gun, you are responsible for registering and securing it. I don’t give a fuck how you secure it. However, if that piece ends up with a deranged weirdo, you’re on the hook for a felony and civil lawsuits. A child comes over to your house and a terrible accident happens, you’re on the hook for a felony and civil lawsuits. > > None of this “it was an accident” or “I sold it to my cousin” bullshit. Like any responsible gun owner, which all second amenders are, you’re responsible for your piece or you pay the consequences. You are advocating a level of strict liability that we do not impose on people who handle dynamite. ---
**Author:** ![hkepotat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hkepotat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hkepotat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/350 "2013-09-25T14:52:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its an example of Poe’s law. Gun grabbers are so ridiculous that it is hard to distinguish between a gun grabber and a parody of a gun grabber. Or that your straw men arguments are the only thing that you are actually capable of attacking effectively. Your ally dressed himself up in straw and called out a “typical” gun grabber sentiment that has not been made by any proponents of registration and background checks, and it was such an easy target that it was attacked with absolutely no hesitation to ensure it was not an ally. That’s just bad target discipline, if it had been guns rather than words, ‘nice guy with an opinion’ would be a mess of blood and straw, and ‘Bob Baylock’ would be dealing with a friendly fire incident. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You are advocating a level of strict liability that we do not impose on people who handle dynamite. Not that anyone uses actual dynamite anymore, but purchasing and using explosives requires much higher certification and liability than gun controls proposed. If your construction site is robbed, and someone makes off with some of your explosives, you better be calling the authorities about it. Selling some of your excess explosives to your cousin or anyone else not specifically authorized to purchase is illegal. You are responsible for securing your work site, and locking up the explosives so that they are not played with by children or others who are not authorized. Please show how registering a gun and keeping track of it is an onerous obligation that is comparable or greater than working with explosives. Keeping in mind that if no one used explosives, we’d have much fewer roads and buildings and such. IOW, they have a high utility outside of killing. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/351 "2013-09-25T14:55:37Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Let’s put this in terms that a lefty lib can understand… Remember in high school buying dope from your guy right under the “drug free zone” sign? Well?? What the hell would you know about high school? ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/352 "2013-09-25T15:21:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its an example of Poe’s law. Gun grabbers are so ridiculous that it is hard to distinguish between a gun grabber and a parody of a gun grabber. It’s not, because **nice guy** pointed out that he was attempting parody in the last line of his post. **Bob** didn’t read that, though, he just went off half-cocked as soon as he had what he thought was a target. ---
**Author:** ![hkepotat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hkepotat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hkepotat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/353 "2013-09-25T15:29:10Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > It’s not, because **nice guy** pointed out that he was attempting parody in the last line of his post. **Bob** didn’t read that, though, he just went off half-cocked as soon as he had what he thought was a target. Shoot first, determine your targets after they’ve stopped moving and are easier to identify, right? The defense of this sort of behavior is NOT helping the ‘responsible gun owner’ argument. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/354 "2013-09-25T15:55:13Z")
> [@Bob\_Blaylock](#): > > And yet it is only ever your side that ever brings up any such idea of “penis size” issues. If I or any other gun-rights supporter had any such issues, there is no way you would know of it. I’m not in the habit of showing my genitals to, nor discussing them with, anyone other than my wife; and neither are most others on my side of this debate. > > The only “penis size” issues about which you would have any credible way of knowing would be your own. The insistence of you and others like you on your side of making such statements about me and those on my side only goes to show that you have your own issues, which you seek to project on others. > > The quote that is commonly attributed to Freud, about a fear of weapons being a sign of retarded sexual development, is not genuine, at least not as falsely attributed to Freud, but it is certainly apparent, based on this behavior of those on your side, that there is at least some element of truth to it. I guess you missed this on post #31… > [@silenus](#): > > It’s fuckwits like you that need to be disarmed post-haste. Your reflexive parroting of whatever the NRA tells you will be the death of the 2nd Amendment. You ARE the evil that must be defended against. > > That, and you have a tiny dick. Live long enough to regret it. That’s why I included it in my post, which is still entertaining me with the kneejerk reaction. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/355 "2013-09-25T15:59:36Z")
Just having fun w/ Bob. ---
**Author:** ![hkepotat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hkepotat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hkepotat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/356 "2013-09-25T16:04:58Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > I guess you missed this on post #31… > > That’s why I included it in my post, which is still entertaining me with the kneejerk reaction. > > Thanks. You do realize, don’t you, that Bob is on the same side as you? As entertaining (and educational) as it is watching you snipe at each other, you are going to end up beating each other up so much no one else has a chance. Not helping the case that ‘responsible gun owners’ like yourselves should be trusted to identify and respond to threats appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/357 "2013-09-25T16:15:16Z")
> [@hkepotat](#): > > You do realize, don’t you, that Bob is on the same side as you? As entertaining (and educational) as it is watching you snipe at each other, you are going to end up beating each other up so much no one else has a chance. > > Not helping the case that ‘responsible gun owners’ like yourselves should be trusted to identify and respond to threats appropriately. Heh. Speaking of not helping the case, you missed my second post. I don’t know how your post is helping the case either, but at least we are having fun here. ---
**Author:** ![hkepotat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hkepotat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hkepotat)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/358 "2013-09-25T16:38:18Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Heh. Speaking of not helping the case, you missed my second post. > > I don’t know how your post is helping the case either, but at least we are having fun here. So, he takes a shot at you by mistake, you take a shot at him in return, then read the rest of the thread, realize you are allies, and laugh it off as a joke. Awesome that you can do that. Good thing they were only words, not bullets, or someone may have gotten hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/359 "2013-09-25T16:58:38Z")
> [@hkepotat](#): > > Not that anyone uses actual dynamite anymore, but purchasing and using explosives requires much higher certification and liability than gun controls proposed. If your construction site is robbed, and someone makes off with some of your explosives, you better be calling the authorities about it. Selling some of your excess explosives to your cousin or anyone else not specifically authorized to purchase is illegal. You are responsible for securing your work site, and locking up the explosives so that they are not played with by children or others who are not authorized. China Guy was proposing strict liability for any guns you own. So if someone takes your gun and kills somseone, then you have committed a felony and are civilly liable for the death. We dont’ do that with anything, not even dynamite. I was just pointing out how extreme the porposal was and frankly its not the first time it has been proposed on this baord. To me it shows a desire to punish gun ownership and hoplophobia. > [@](#): > > Please show how registering a gun and keeping track of it is an onerous obligation that is comparable or greater than working with explosives. Thats the part I was commenting on. I have been a pretty vocal supporter of licensing and registration. > [@](#): > > Keeping in mind that if no one used explosives, we’d have much fewer roads and buildings and such. IOW, they have a high utility outside of killing. Yes, dynamite provides some benefits. Guns do too. How many times a year do you think a gun is used in self defense? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/360 "2013-09-25T17:51:04Z")
Stop that! There are no reliable statistics on that, and you damned well know it! First rule of the SDMB, if you can’t win with truth, you don’t deserve to win. OK, it _wasn’t_ the First Rule. Until now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=19)