# Gun Grabbers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014 "2013-09-16T23:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/81 "2013-09-17T04:28:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Never, ever again quote that without the first half: > > But, it **isn’t.** The FFs were wrong about a **lot** of things (and that is far from the worst). All discussions of con-law should proceed with that held in mind. Luckily for you the constitution is a “living document”. You need only have a constitutional convention to amend it. It’s been done many times before, what’s keeping you? ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/82 "2013-09-17T04:29:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Of course you think that. It’s because you’re stupid. Yes… and you’re a poopy head, so there. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/83 "2013-09-17T04:30:42Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > re: The Batman theater shootings > > Conjecture rather than data because Holmes has never spoken of the matter for the public record. > > There were 7 theaters within 20 minutes drive from where shooter lived showing The Dark Knight Rises. Six of them permitted patrons with carry permits to do so. Holmes carried out his spree in the one that didn’t. > > The one he chose was neither the closest to his residence, nor the largest where he might have anticipated maximizing the body count. > > You might argue that he chose the one he did because they once sold him stale popcorn and wouldn’t refund or replace it. I personally tend towards the Occam’s Razor line of reasoning. I’m sure you were told this and believed it because it confirmed your biases, but it is complete horseshit. Century 16 theaters are the newest, nicest, biggest and closest to Holmes apartment. Take a look for yourself, then question your news sources. Why are they lying to you? [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=aurora+co&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c588622ba2b9b:0x8441e0688ba2e678,Aurora,+CO&gl=us&ei=cNk3UrD4FKj7igL81YCwCQ&ved=0CJMBELYD](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=aurora+co&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c588622ba2b9b:0x8441e0688ba2e678,Aurora,+CO&gl=us&ei=cNk3UrD4FKj7igL81YCwCQ&ved=0CJMBELYD) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/84 "2013-09-17T04:33:17Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Yes… and you’re a poopy head, so there. Keep dancing, nut. You amuse me. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/85 "2013-09-17T04:34:16Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I’m sure you were told this and believed it because it confirmed your biases, but it is complete horseshit. Century 16 theaters are the newest, nicest, biggest and closest to Holmes apartment. Take a look for yourself, then question your news sources. Why are they lying to you? > > [Google Maps](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=aurora+co&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c588622ba2b9b:0x8441e0688ba2e678,Aurora,+CO&gl=us&ei=cNk3UrD4FKj7igL81YCwCQ&ved=0CJMBELYD) Well that settles it. The closest “gun free zone” to his house or… he could have driven to Canada. DISARM AMERICA! ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/86 "2013-09-17T04:34:57Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You have to understand that America is filled with doughy, paunchy middle aged white guys who are petrified that a black man will one day attack them. Racist much? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/87 "2013-09-17T04:35:18Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Luckily for you the constitution is a “living document”. You need only have a constitutional convention to amend it. It’s been done many times before, what’s keeping you? The fact that such will never happen in your lifetime nor your grandchildrens’. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/88 "2013-09-17T04:35:22Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Keep dancing, nut. You amuse me. Just following your lead, sweetheart… ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/89 "2013-09-17T04:37:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The fact that such will never happen in your lifetime nor your grandchildrens’. So what are you gnashing your teeth and clenching your fists about? There’s nothing to be done. You should move to Canada. Obviously the mass murder lunatics are afraid to cross the border; you’ll be safe, at last. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/90 "2013-09-17T04:38:50Z")
I’m bored and I have to earn your disability check in the morning, good night. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/91 "2013-09-17T04:38:58Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Well that settles it. The closest “gun free zone” to his house or… he could have driven to Canada. > > DISARM AMERICA! There is an elementary school one half block from his apartment. [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1690+paris+street&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c7cb303ba5663:0xc58578bc190fb08d,1690+Paris+St,+Aurora,+CO+80010&gl=us&ei=itw3Uq6DM46GiQLy7IDgBQ&ved=0CCwQ8gEwAA](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1690+paris+street&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c7cb303ba5663:0xc58578bc190fb08d,1690+Paris+St,+Aurora,+CO+80010&gl=us&ei=itw3Uq6DM46GiQLy7IDgBQ&ved=0CCwQ8gEwAA) ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/92 "2013-09-17T04:49:30Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Insane people get hold of cars. Insane people get hold of hammers. Insane people get hold of axes. You think hammers are comparable to guns? You must, else your point wouldn’t make sense. So you’d be as happy being armed with a hammer as a gun? They are, after all, comparable. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/93 "2013-09-17T04:49:50Z")
> [@toofs](#): > > Racist much? Calling someone else racist is not racist. It may be wrong in other ways, but it is not an example of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/94 "2013-09-17T04:58:04Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > There is an elementary school one half block from his apartment. What, and give up show business? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/95 "2013-09-17T05:02:46Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I recognized the fact that you were in Norway After I posted my response. Since you are foreign I am impressed with you knowledge of American politics and will forgive you of your mis-quote and therefore mis-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. If there is one thing gun nutters have taught us it’s that the 2nd can be interpreted however the fuck anyone wants to, so how about you keep you ignorant comments to “foreigners” to yourself. K? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/96 "2013-09-17T05:15:53Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > As a non-American, I’ll take the gracious opening to bow out of the discussion. I am genuinely curious (no bones, sarcasm or snark - actually genuinely curious) as to how I misquoted it. But I’ll rather open a GD thread some day. Gukumatz, you’re running into the comma controversy. I shit you not (just to test your comprehension 😉 ). There is a whole controversy over the number of comma’s in the Bill of Rights. I make no claims on the following website except that I found it after about 2 seconds of searching on “[2nd amendment comma](http://www.guncite.com/second_amendment_commas.html).” I’m guessing that you had no idea that 1. comma’s were so important 2. that it would change the meaning of the 2nd amendment by 180 degrees 3. that some people that can’t string together a full sentence become full on grammar Nazi’s over their beloved 2nd Amendment 4. that you’re running into this after an innocent copy paste. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/97 "2013-09-17T05:18:19Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Are there nail guns in Australia? You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Gleena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@Gleena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gleena)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/98 "2013-09-17T05:20:57Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > You think hammers are comparable to guns? You must, else your point wouldn’t make sense. > > So you’d be as happy being armed with a hammer as a gun? They are, after all, comparable. Right? Mmm…or a nail gun. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/99 "2013-09-17T05:37:07Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > re: The Batman theater shootings > … > I personally tend towards the Occam’s Razor line of reasoning. Yeah, we’ll simply apply Occam’s Razor to Crazy People [sup]tm[/sup] and expect great results. End of story :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/100 "2013-09-17T06:40:23Z")
You know, I’m starting to get the impression that when he advises people to change the Constitution, he isn’t really all that sincere. But it says the right shall not be infringed. But it has been infringed. You can’t own a Thompson sub-machine gun, the Capone Amendment. What, no amendment? And they did it anyway? So did they break the 2nd Amendment’s jurisprudential hymen? What does it mean if it says it shall not be infringed, and it has been? So, do we have to fix it? Put it right, put it back in its original state, so that your goofy cousin can own a grenade launcher to hunt armor-plated deer? Doesn’t say anything about what kind of arms, so we are stuck with all of them, yes? If the Sacred Word is inviolate, how come its been violated? And why should we assume that once it has been violated, it cannot be further violated? Didn’t the Supreme Court accept that reasonable restrictions don’t violate the Constitution? That’s their job, isn’t it, saying what does and does not violate the Constitution? Seems to me you pretty much got a choice. You can say that the literal wording is Gospel, and the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, but it has been, so fuck that. Or you can accept that reasonable restrictions are applicable, and that “not infringed” can be interpreted to mean “OK, but just a little”. Either way, doesn’t seem to me that we need to have a Constitutional Convention to do what has already been done. Whether intentionally or no, that right has been infringed. That part is over. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=6)